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johntpartee
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 Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:42 am Post subject: There IS a blacklist!!! |
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Re: "Warning! Henan Business College, Zhengzhou"
I left because they broke the contract; I won't go into the details here, just search for the topic.
After I left, I was offered a position in China. I got the Z visa, no problem; I got the Health Card, no problem; I got the FEC, no problem; I applied for the resident permit......PROBLEM!
I got an e-mail from the FAO telling me and I quote: "you were blacklisted by your last school, the national police will not issue your residency permit".
The president of the college called me to meet with him, I explained to him what happened at HBC, he said he will file an appeal with the Entry/Exit Bureau for me. It will take approximately two weeks to find out if I will be allowed to remain in China.
I have absolutely no regrets, regardless of what happens; if I had it to do over again (leaving the college that broke the contract), I would do exactly the same thing. I'll chalk it up to the price of an education. I just wanted to let everyone know. |
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Zimmer
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| Was the new job in the same province? |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:08 am Post subject: |
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therock
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm going to Henan; same city, in fact. |
There's your problem! |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| That offer didn't happen; I went to another province (Hubei). |
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therock
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| Was working in Henan on your resume? If so, there is a possibility because you didn't have a release letter the PSB in Hubei decided to call the PSB in Henan - highly unlikely but something to think about because I am not entirely convinced they would have the ability or desire to implement a national wide system. |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I didn't put the college that broke the contract on the resume but the college before that (in Henan) was on there and I had the release letter from them (a glowing recommendation). |
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Miles Smiles
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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"...the national police" ?
What is this body? |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it's the Entry/Exit Bureau. That's where I went to turn in all of the paperwork for the resident permit. |
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igorG
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: There IS a blacklist!!! |
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| johntpartee wrote: |
| After I left, I was offered a position in China. I got the Z visa, no problem; I got the Health Card, no problem; I got the FEC, no problem; I applied for the resident permit......PROBLEM! |
I have heard that there are a couple ways to obtain a legal status to work in China and aside yours where the FEC is already on the table, there's the second option to apply at a Labor Bureau. Without FEC FTs, who aren't foreign experts, apparently get their legal status to work at such an office. The application process, again apparently, takes about 3-4 weeks. Perhaps, they haven't blacklisted you. |
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Miles Smiles
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:30 pm Post subject: Re: There IS a blacklist!!! |
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| igorG wrote: |
| johntpartee wrote: |
| After I left, I was offered a position in China. I got the Z visa, no problem; I got the Health Card, no problem; I got the FEC, no problem; I applied for the resident permit......PROBLEM! |
I have heard that there are a couple ways to obtain a legal status to work in China and aside yours where the FEC is already on the table, there's the second option to apply at a Labor Bureau. Without FEC FTs, who aren't foreign experts, apparently get their legal status to work at such an office. The application process, again apparently, takes about 3-4 weeks. |
Okay, that explains a few things that I've heard. Dave's is a great place to learn things one might not learn elsewhere. |
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johntpartee
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I don't understand what that means. The Labor Bureau? Do they issue a resident permit?
All of that aside, I'm curious as to what's going to happen to me in the next couple of weeks. I would actually be very surprised if I prevail. I have an idea that my current employer is telling me that they are going to "appeal" for me while they try to find a non-troublemaker who can teach my classes.
For one thing, I "lied by omission" (I didn't tell this college about Henan Business College).
In addition, if the Entry/Exit Bureau contacts the principals at HBC for "their side of the story" it will be my word against theirs. |
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shadowrider
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| johntpartee wrote: |
I don't understand what that means. The Labor Bureau? Do they issue a resident permit?
All of that aside, I'm curious as to what's going to happen to me in the next couple of weeks. I would actually be very surprised if I prevail. I have an idea that my current employer is telling me that they are going to "appeal" for me while they try to find a non-troublemaker who can teach my classes.
For one thing, I "lied by omission" (I didn't tell this college about Henan Business College).
In addition, if the Entry/Exit Bureau contacts the principals at HBC for "their side of the story" it will be my word against theirs. |
And remember where you are. You are an unknown to the new school and already branded a troublemaker, irregardless of you actual past. You will be the one that must lose face as you are the foreigner. I suggest a back-up plan (Korea, Vietnam, Thailand) |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, I'm pretty sure I'm dead in the water. I can't imagine any foreigner saying "I fought China and China lost". |
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Brian Hugh
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| not a black list but people reading your computer and knowing everything about you. So when they see you are no harnonizing well you get tailed. You can simply pay the fine. |
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