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Many photos of the anti-Japan demonstrations
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rogerwilco



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:00 pm    Post subject: Many photos of the anti-Japan demonstrations Reply with quote

Many photos of the anti-Japan demonstrations:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/postcards-furious-china



map showing the disputed island:

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/07/~/media/Images/Reports/2012/07/KAI/specialKAI201214areasdisputechinajapankoreas750.ashx
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rioux



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for posting this.


A classified Chinese government map from 1969 that was obtained by Japan’s government shows Beijing had labeled the islands as “Senkaku,” their Japanese name, and thus confirmed their control by Tokyo. The map, which was viewed by the Free Beacon, also had a dividing line south of the islands showing that they fall within Japanese territory.
http://freebeacon.com/chinese-general-prepare-for-combat/

Does anybody know if this is true?
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chinesearmy



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Japan and China fight over the islands...... all I got to say is that..... might is right.
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twilothunder



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chinesearmy wrote:
If Japan and China fight over the islands...... all I got to say is that..... might is right.


And Japan has got the US to stand up for it Laughing
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choudoufu



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rioux wrote:
Thanks for posting this.


A classified Chinese government map from 1969 that was obtained by Japan’s government shows Beijing had labeled the islands as “Senkaku,” their Japanese name, and thus confirmed their control by Tokyo. The map, which was viewed by the Free Beacon, also had a dividing line south of the islands showing that they fall within Japanese territory.
http://freebeacon.com/chinese-general-prepare-for-combat/

Does anybody know if this is true?


a map prepared by the spooks for an intel briefing could conceivably
show the bad guy's version, including the alternate names and shifted
position of boundary lines.
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7969



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rioux wrote:
A classified Chinese government map from 1969 that was obtained by Japan’s government shows Beijing had labeled the islands as “Senkaku,” their Japanese name, and thus confirmed their control by Tokyo. The map, which was viewed by the Free Beacon, also had a dividing line south of the islands showing that they fall within Japanese territory.
http://freebeacon.com/chinese-general-prepare-for-combat/

Does anybody know if this is true?

My contact within Chinese intelligence says the map is a fabrication.

Surprised
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chinesearmy



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

twilothunder wrote:
chinesearmy wrote:
If Japan and China fight over the islands...... all I got to say is that..... might is right.


And Japan has got the US to stand up for it Laughing


They are too busy with Syria, Lebanon, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
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ChinaSister



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chinesearmy wrote:
twilothunder wrote:
chinesearmy wrote:
If Japan and China fight over the islands...... all I got to say is that..... might is right.


And Japan has got the US to stand up for it Laughing


They are too busy with Syria, Lebanon, Afghanistan and Pakistan.


No there not.The US has clearly stated they are making the South China sea a priority.

They have been pulling out of Afghanistan for a while now and will be completely out in 2014.

They and the their allies are now battle hardened.China well I guess they have watched alot of movies about war.
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7969



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChinaSister wrote:
chinesearmy wrote:
twilothunder wrote:
chinesearmy wrote:
If Japan and China fight over the islands...... all I got to say is that..... might is right.

And Japan has got the US to stand up for it Laughing

They are too busy with Syria, Lebanon, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

No there not. The US has clearly stated they are making the South China sea a priority. They have been pulling out of Afghanistan for a while now and will be completely out in 2014. They and the their allies are now battle hardened.

Good luck getting any of those Iraq or Afghanistan allies to help out in yet another pointless war.
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ChinaSister



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

7969 wrote:
ChinaSister wrote:
chinesearmy wrote:
twilothunder wrote:
chinesearmy wrote:
If Japan and China fight over the islands...... all I got to say is that..... might is right.

And Japan has got the US to stand up for it Laughing

They are too busy with Syria, Lebanon, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

No there not. The US has clearly stated they are making the South China sea a priority. They have been pulling out of Afghanistan for a while now and will be completely out in 2014. They and the their allies are now battle hardened.

Good luck getting any of those Iraq or Afghanistan allies to help out in yet another pointless war.


Australia has already helped out by allowing the US to set up their forces in Northern Australia earlier this year.
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choudoufu



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

they don't necessarily need to strike militarily....


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/china-business/9551727/Beijing-hints-at-bond-attack-on-Japan.html

Beijing hints at bond attack on Japan

A senior advisor to the Chinese government has called for an attack on the Japanese bond market to precipitate a funding crisis and bring the country to its knees, unless Tokyo reverses its decision to nationalise the disputed Senkaku/Diaoyu islands in the East China Sea.
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wonderingjoesmith



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How Japanese and Chinese interpret the geography may be the issue here. Aside the argument that a Chinese dynasty (Ming i think) apparently controlled the islands in 15th century, the TROUGH in the region has been the subject of debates. Chinese think that the TROUGH serves as a boundary; however, Japs think it's only a depression and thus it's to be ignored.
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dakelei



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Chinese (passionately anti-CPC, for full disclosure reasons) friend QQ'd me some documents the other night that he says are proof that in the past The Party-ruled government acknowledged that the islands do indeed belong to Japan. They're completely in Chinese and I can't read them but he told me their general gist. One of them dates back to the 50's and was allegedly written in support of folks in Okinawa who wanted the American base there to be relocated. A pitifully small number of actual free-thinking Chinese netizens are passing them around. For now at least. I warned my friend to be careful and he said the docs are out there for anyone to see if they would just bother to look. He's disgusted by how The Party is cynically using this "crisis" to divert attention away from what he sees as much larger problems facing China right now.
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RiverMystic



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dakelei wrote:
My Chinese (passionately anti-CPC, for full disclosure reasons) friend QQ'd me some documents the other night that he says are proof that in the past The Party-ruled government acknowledged that the islands do indeed belong to Japan. They're completely in Chinese and I can't read them but he told me their general gist. One of them dates back to the 50's and was allegedly written in support of folks in Okinawa who wanted the American base there to be relocated. A pitifully small number of actual free-thinking Chinese netizens are passing them around. For now at least. I warned my friend to be careful and he said the docs are out there for anyone to see if they would just bother to look. He's disgusted by how The Party is cynically using this "crisis" to divert attention away from what he sees as much larger problems facing China right now.


Interesting. Mao also believed that Taiwan should be independent - before his arch rival went there. Then he changed his mind. Not that you'll be reading about that anytime too soon in the Global Times.
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wangdaning



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is true that Taiwan should be independent. They should ship out all of the Chinese invaders.
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