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scot47
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Barbaros
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Scot, are you with or against the independence of Scotland?
I have a feeling that you will vote with your two hands for the independence of Scotland! |
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scot47
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:36 am Post subject: |
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In my lifetime I have seen the Empire dissolve. When I was born, I was a sub ject of King George VI, who was also Emperor of India. Then one by one tjhe colonies cast loose. Scotland is on the same path, although its ties with London were not those of a typical colony.
The jingoists and Empire Loyalists in Scotland and elsewhere have problems accepting this, but we know that History has its own logic ! |
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Barbaros
Joined: 18 Aug 2012 Posts: 58 Location: North of France
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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scot47 wrote: |
The jingoists and Empire Loyalists in Scotland and elsewhere have problems accepting this, but we know that History has its own logic ! |
Oh, Scot, it seems the history of 1292 will repeat itself between Scotland and England.
This is all the fault of John Balliol and Robert Bruce to let King Edward to interfere in the internal affairs of Scotland. The Scottish town of Berwick was wiped out from the map in 1295.
"Edward spared no one, whatever the age or sex, and for two days streams of blood flowed from the bodies of the slain, for in his tyrannous rage he ordered 7,500 souls of both sexes to be massacred...So that mills could be turned round by the flow of their blood."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/history/articles/the_wars_of_independence/ |
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scot47
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Berwick is at peace now - but in England, although the county of Berwickshire is in Scotland. |
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Cool Teacher
Joined: 18 May 2009 Posts: 930 Location: Here, There and Everywhere! :D
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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scot47 wrote: |
Berwick is at peace now - but in England, although the county of Berwickshire is in Scotland. |
The football team is in Scotland too. |
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scot47
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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I TOLD them they should take up another sport ! |
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Captain_Fil
Joined: 06 Jan 2011 Posts: 604 Location: California - the land of fruits and nuts
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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I would love to travel to Scotland someday.
I've been to the Philippines so many times. Every Philippine city is starting to look alike - sari sari stores, tricycles, jeepneys, etc. (Except for Vigan and Baguio, of course.)
It would be nice to see bagpipes, kilts, pubs and hot Scottish girls. |
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scot47
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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We caredfully control the number of Californians allowed in. We call it "influx control". We have enough crazies of our own and do not need to import any more.
IRONY ALERT |
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Captain_Fil
Joined: 06 Jan 2011 Posts: 604 Location: California - the land of fruits and nuts
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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scot47 wrote: |
We carefully control the number of Californians allowed in. We call it "influx control".
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You need not worry.
I am not in a hurry to see Scotland.
I want to go to Amsterdam first. |
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artemisia
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:17 am Post subject: |
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scot47 wrote: |
The jingoists and Empire Loyalists in Scotland and elsewhere have problems accepting this, but we know that History has its own logic ! |
The article (link in the OP) opens with Alan Bennet's quote from 'The History Boys', but the quote is older than that. I find it interesting how history has been viewed and defined:
History is just one damn thing after another.
Winston Churchill? Arnold Toynbee? Edna St Vincent Millay?
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
George Santayana
Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history that man can never learn anything from history.
George Bernard Shaw
'History,' Stephen said, 'is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake'.
James Joyce
History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon.
Napoleon Bonaparte
History will be kind to me for I intend to write it.
Winston Churchill |
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Captain_Fil
Joined: 06 Jan 2011 Posts: 604 Location: California - the land of fruits and nuts
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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artemisia wrote: |
scot47 wrote: |
The jingoists and Empire Loyalists in Scotland and elsewhere have problems accepting this, but we know that History has its own logic ! |
The article (link in the OP) opens with Alan Bennet's quote from 'The History Boys', but the quote is older than that. I find it interesting how history has been viewed and defined:
History is just one damn thing after another.
Winston Churchill? Arnold Toynbee? Edna St Vincent Millay?
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
George Santayana
Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history that man can never learn anything from history.
George Bernard Shaw
'History,' Stephen said, 'is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake'.
James Joyce
History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon.
Napoleon Bonaparte
History will be kind to me for I intend to write it.
Winston Churchill |
And let us not forget...
Turn back the clock, and you're history.
Jean-Claude Van Damme (Timecop)
You say history considers me dead. Who am I to argue with history?
James T. Kirk (Star Trek Generations)
Yeah, well, history is gonna change.
Marty McFly (Back to the Future) |
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