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Super-Storm Sandy and the American Election
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Barbaros



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:04 pm    Post subject: Super-Storm Sandy and the American Election Reply with quote

It seems the super-Hurricane Sandy is not joking, and is heading to the East coast and North of the USA. The visit of Sandy to the USA will disturb all electronic voting systems in the USA, and will shut down the electricity in some areas, and maybe will push Obama to declare emergency and martial law! Laughing

Is there any chance that Sandy will reduce the chances of Obama to win this election!?

What do you think, John?
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Barbaros,

Storm or no storm, I think AP has it right

"Advantage Obama in hunt for 270 electoral votes"

http://news.yahoo.com/advantage-obama-hunt-270-electoral-votes-163526687--election.html

And here's one reason why:

Live Polls Show Obama With Bigger Leads In Ohio

http://news.yahoo.com/live-polls-show-obama-bigger-leads-ohio-chart-205745169--politics.html

I'll concede the "dead" vote to Mitt.

Besides, most of the states where Sandy is expected to cause damage are solidly Obama, anyway. And the election's still over a week away.

Regards,
John
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sparks



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hurricane Sandy is a diversionary tactic used by democrats to draw attention away from the economy Smile
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember how effective we were at goofing up the start of the 2012 Republican convention - it's certainly a good tactic, worth repeating;-)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/25/republican-convention-delayed_n_1830622.html
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Barbaros



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, a 2004 study shows that "acts of God, including droughts, floods, and shark attacks" cause voters to take out their frustration on government.
http://theweek.com/article/index/235512/5-ways-hurricane-sandy-could-impact-the-presidential-race

I wonder if Obama will learn from the mistakes of G.W. Bush Bush's lagging response to 2005's Hurricane Katrina?

This time, I think the super-storm Sandy will bring its special Halloween to the people of the USA! Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barbaros wrote:
I wonder if Obama will learn from the mistakes of G.W. Bush Bush's lagging response to 2005's Hurricane Katrina?

It certainly helps that the current FEMA director, W. Craig Fugate, was an emergency paramedic who also had administrative experience in fire rescue and in emergency preparedness and response. Compare him to Bush's FEMA director (and crony) Michael "Brownie" Brown, a mediocre attorney with zero emergency preparedness experience.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Hurricane Sandy is a diversionary tactic used by democrats to draw attention away from the economy


And the winner gets to take Donald Trumps toupee off his head for the world to see.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sparks wrote:
Hurricane Sandy is a diversionary tactic used by democrats to draw attention away from the economy Smile


I wonder if this storm just handed the election to Romney? If enough people on the east coast can't get to voting stations because they are displaced or too busy with storm cleanup, could Pennsylvania and New Jersey vote Romney? That's 34 electoral college votes...
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a full week away; hopefully enough time to recover sufficiently....
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Barbaros



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, maybe it will be a political recovery, but economically speaking, the super-storm Sandy may push the USA into a recession.
Only to restore the power in New York it will take more than a week. And it is expected that the cost for clean up is around 20bn!!

“The storm comes at a difficult moment for America’s $15 trillion (£9 trillion) economy, with next week’s presidential election adding uncertainty for consumers and businesses and prospect of a "fiscal cliff" due to tax rises and spending cuts, which some economists fear could push the country into recession. “
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/9643569/Superstorm-Sandy-Clean-up-could-offset-hit-to-US-growth.html
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recession ? It will lead to a BOOM because of spending on rebuilding !
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But this may hurt:

"President Barack Obama scrapped plans to campaign Wednesday in the pivotal battleground state of Ohio and will stay in Washington, D.C., to monitor the federal government's response to the superstorm, the White House said."

Ohio is crucial.

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John
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rawera



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Romney has said he would defund FEMA. Lots of potential voters are currently experiencing a disaster. I hope this would resonate with voters, but, you know.....
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Captain_Fil



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
Barbaros wrote:
I wonder if Obama will learn from the mistakes of G.W. Bush Bush's lagging response to 2005's Hurricane Katrina?

It certainly helps that the current FEMA director, W. Craig Fugate, was an emergency paramedic who also had administrative experience in fire rescue and in emergency preparedness and response. Compare him to Bush's FEMA director (and crony) Michael "Brownie" Brown, a mediocre attorney with zero emergency preparedness experience.


The government response to Sandy is just as bad during Katrina.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/staten-island-residents-plead-article-1.1195599#ixzz2B4ygH4Y7

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/queens-residents-arm-looters-article-1.1196031

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/#Electricity-Slowly-Returns-in-NY,-Millions-Still-without-Power

Things don't really change.
Neutral
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Captaijn_Fil,

Oh yes - they do:

"Following Superstorm Sandy, the Federal Emergency Management Agency has received good grades from politicians and even some survivors of the storm. In part, that's due to lessons learned from Hurricane Katrina seven years ago.

For Staten Island resident Deb Smith, whose house was flooded by the storm surge from Sandy, FEMA has been a savior.

"What a hell of an organization. I got on the phone with them yesterday, I got my claim number in already, the guy said he's going to call me in a couple of days," she says. "He's going to come out and estimate, and they said, listen, whatever doesn't work, they're going to help us put stuff in storage."

The reviews are almost as glowing from New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and other local officials in the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast. They've praised FEMA for being prepared before the storm and responsive immediately afterward — which did not happen when Hurricane Katrina slammed into the Gulf Coast in 2005.

Agency Gets A Makeover

"FEMA is a very different organization than it was during Katrina," says Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut.

Lieberman chairs the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, which helped spur post-Katrina reforms at the agency. Those changes, Lieberman says, have proved themselves during Sandy.

"[FEMA] was proactive, and it didn't used to be. It doesn't wait for the storm to hit; it pre-positions personnel, equipment, food supplies, water, etc.," he says.

FEMA had hundreds of thousands of liters of bottled water, along with millions of meals, cots and blankets stockpiled, which were moved into the region ahead of Sandy.

The agency also had President Obama sign disaster declarations before the details of those disasters were fully known. Lieberman says that was important, too, to start the money flowing immediately to local governments and survivors.

"You used to have to fill out a lot of paperwork to get eligibility for disaster assistance from the president. Today, they're being much more commonsensical about it," he says.

Federal officials say FEMA has some $3.6 billion in its Disaster Relief Fund and billions more available in other accounts, if needed. It has already begun spending that money. Some $19 million has gone out to storm victims to pay for temporary housing."

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/features/npr.php?id=164224394

Regards,
John
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