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What kind of employee is more preferable to a school?
Someone with 2 years local experience
66%
 66%  [ 10 ]
Someone with extensive globetrotting experience
33%
 33%  [ 5 ]
Total Votes : 15

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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sorry Spiral, but I don't think you're helping yourself with the question you've posed. By giving a decade around the world, surely you're weighting it too heavily in favour of the general teaching experience side.


I'm not sure what you mean. Are you thinking that 10 years stacks too heavily against 2? Honestly, candidate B would be chosen in my experience regardless of 8 years less general experience.

Do you think it would be fairer to equalize the years of experience? If yes, I don't think candidate A would have much chance at all, most anywhere!
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spiral, I think you are misreading Cole's post, as I did too. He's actually saying you are doing your own argument a disservice by making the other side too attractive.

Even so, I'd still go local.
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it'snotmyfault



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've added a carefully worded poll Cool
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coledavis



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, if that's the way you want it... Evil or Very Mad
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not the way I want it at all! I want to see apostrophes! Who, amongst our EFL fraternity, would cast a vote for a position with an error in it?
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Teacher in Rome



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I voted for the two years' local experience.

I'd hire a teacher who spoke some Italian and knew what aspects of English cause problems to Italian speakers. Preferably, too, someone who was settled enough in Italy to not get too fazed by the ups and downs of life, and who wouldn't jump ship in a month.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear it'snotmyfault:

Thank you for the poll.

It doesn't accurately reflect my idea (not that it has to), though.

What I was saying is that :
10 years experience in one geographical region
doesn't necessarily translate
to applicable experience for a different geographical region

The stereotypical 'backpacker' who's been all over the place presents an entirely different set of benefits and drawbacks to potential employers.

Best regards,
spiral
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coledavis



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, 'globetrotter' suggests backpacker, not the experienced TEFLer which I think both sides were intending to pit against the country-specific dog.
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denise



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm chiming in a bit late, but here goes...

If you want to move into better teaching jobs, you need the kind of experience that those jobs will require. Working at a university in China or Korea could get you a Middle East university job, if you sell it correctly and if it did truly include academic teaching. You don't have the local experience, but you do have the teaching experience.

Going from a hagwon or any sort of private language institute in China or Korea to a ME university... well, now you're two degrees removed: wrong type of experience and wrong region.

As to the poll... well, I would want to know what the backpacker-type was doing and where he/she was doing it. 10 years in 10 different countries doing entry-level work in every position? Two countries for five years each, doing progressively more professional/academic teaching? Without knowing the specifics, I would vote for the candidate with local experience.

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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please do, Denise. Cole and I are locked in an ideological struggle for the hearts and minds of posters here! The future of the whole world is at stake!!!
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koraen experience on a CV would lead me - and many others - to file it in the waste paper basket. Not always the case, though. At the moment kFUPM in Korea has lots of teachers with Korean experience.

I think the activity of EFLing is quite culture-specific. I was quite good at it in the Middle East. I am not sure how I would have done in the Middle Kingdom (where I was offered a job back in the 1960s)
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coledavis



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're sending payloads to other worlds. Wha-hoooh!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Siberia, London, various points in between. I claim for internationalism.
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denise



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
Koraen experience on a CV would lead me - and many others - to file it in the waste paper basket.


I can definitely see why, without ever having taught there; I would still give a chance to a university teacher there, IF he/she could convince me that the experience is relevant.

I feel the same way about certain ME teaching experience. Saying that you worked at a college in Oman or KSA doesn't necessarily mean that there was anything academic going on.

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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good. Good. That's what I like to see! Votes being cast. That's how a Union of Soviets is built! Bring on the ardour!
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