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What kind of employee is more preferable to a school? |
Someone with 2 years local experience |
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66% |
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Someone with extensive globetrotting experience |
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33% |
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spiral78
Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry Spiral, but I don't think you're helping yourself with the question you've posed. By giving a decade around the world, surely you're weighting it too heavily in favour of the general teaching experience side. |
I'm not sure what you mean. Are you thinking that 10 years stacks too heavily against 2? Honestly, candidate B would be chosen in my experience regardless of 8 years less general experience.
Do you think it would be fairer to equalize the years of experience? If yes, I don't think candidate A would have much chance at all, most anywhere! |
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Sashadroogie
Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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Spiral, I think you are misreading Cole's post, as I did too. He's actually saying you are doing your own argument a disservice by making the other side too attractive.
Even so, I'd still go local. |
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it'snotmyfault
Joined: 14 May 2012 Posts: 527
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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I've added a carefully worded poll |
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coledavis
Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 1838
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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Well, if that's the way you want it... |
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Sashadroogie
Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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That's not the way I want it at all! I want to see apostrophes! Who, amongst our EFL fraternity, would cast a vote for a position with an error in it? |
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Teacher in Rome
Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Posts: 1286
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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I voted for the two years' local experience.
I'd hire a teacher who spoke some Italian and knew what aspects of English cause problems to Italian speakers. Preferably, too, someone who was settled enough in Italy to not get too fazed by the ups and downs of life, and who wouldn't jump ship in a month. |
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spiral78
Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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Dear it'snotmyfault:
Thank you for the poll.
It doesn't accurately reflect my idea (not that it has to), though.
What I was saying is that :
10 years experience in one geographical region
doesn't necessarily translate
to applicable experience for a different geographical region
The stereotypical 'backpacker' who's been all over the place presents an entirely different set of benefits and drawbacks to potential employers.
Best regards,
spiral |
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coledavis
Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 1838
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, 'globetrotter' suggests backpacker, not the experienced TEFLer which I think both sides were intending to pit against the country-specific dog. |
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denise
Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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I'm chiming in a bit late, but here goes...
If you want to move into better teaching jobs, you need the kind of experience that those jobs will require. Working at a university in China or Korea could get you a Middle East university job, if you sell it correctly and if it did truly include academic teaching. You don't have the local experience, but you do have the teaching experience.
Going from a hagwon or any sort of private language institute in China or Korea to a ME university... well, now you're two degrees removed: wrong type of experience and wrong region.
As to the poll... well, I would want to know what the backpacker-type was doing and where he/she was doing it. 10 years in 10 different countries doing entry-level work in every position? Two countries for five years each, doing progressively more professional/academic teaching? Without knowing the specifics, I would vote for the candidate with local experience.
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Sashadroogie
Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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Please do, Denise. Cole and I are locked in an ideological struggle for the hearts and minds of posters here! The future of the whole world is at stake!!! |
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scot47
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Koraen experience on a CV would lead me - and many others - to file it in the waste paper basket. Not always the case, though. At the moment kFUPM in Korea has lots of teachers with Korean experience.
I think the activity of EFLing is quite culture-specific. I was quite good at it in the Middle East. I am not sure how I would have done in the Middle Kingdom (where I was offered a job back in the 1960s) |
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coledavis
Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 1838
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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We're sending payloads to other worlds. Wha-hoooh! |
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coledavis
Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 1838
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Siberia, London, various points in between. I claim for internationalism. |
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denise
Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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scot47 wrote: |
Koraen experience on a CV would lead me - and many others - to file it in the waste paper basket. |
I can definitely see why, without ever having taught there; I would still give a chance to a university teacher there, IF he/she could convince me that the experience is relevant.
I feel the same way about certain ME teaching experience. Saying that you worked at a college in Oman or KSA doesn't necessarily mean that there was anything academic going on.
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Sashadroogie
Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Good. Good. That's what I like to see! Votes being cast. That's how a Union of Soviets is built! Bring on the ardour! |
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