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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

..or even МЫ as in the original.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Sasha,

Perhaps it's a translation thing, but shouldn't this

"There is no 'you' or 'me'! There is only WE."

be

"There is no 'you' or 'me'! There are only WE." Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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John
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Johnslat

Yes, you can read it that way. But in the novel, as I am sure you remember, the characters cannot even conceive of the very pronoun 'I', all traces of individuality having been eliminated from society. So if we are referring to the pronoun 'we', then a singular verb is quite acceptable - there is only 'we' for first person pronouns.

Ah, an ideal yet to come true in the glorious collectivist future...!


Selfless Sasha
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:53 pm    Post subject: The Borg is coming, the Borg is coming Reply with quote

Dear Sasha,

" . . . the characters cannot even conceive of the very pronoun 'I', all traces of individuality having been eliminated from society."

Hmm, sounds like resistance is futile. Very Happy

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John
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

... it's... it's beautiful!!
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choudoufu



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:02 pm    Post subject: Re: The Borg is coming, the Borg is coming Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Dear Sasha,

" . . . the characters cannot even conceive of the very pronoun 'I', all traces of individuality having been eliminated from society."

Hmm, sounds like resistance is futile. Very Happy

Regards,
John


then why conjugate?

"there be only we"
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...because there may still be the decidedly piggie 'THEY' floating about. Can't get too complacent - even in the future
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