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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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| Mushroom Druid wrote: |
| isabel wrote: |
| It is true that things are getting tighter. Where I work they are having a much harder time hiring internationally and getting work permits for new hires. |
The entire work permit situation is dysfunctional and to be blunt, stupid.
It's been going on since 2006.
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I have no criticisms of those who work without permits- we all do what we have to do- but it is better to be legal if possible. |
I have ALWAYS had money saved up to leave VN if necessary.
We'll see what happens. Always be prepare to return home or go to another country on short notice.
It's the nature of EFL in Vietnam. |
Great Advice, always keep $100,000,000 VND in your account and be prepared to drain it if need be. |
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Mushroom Druid
Joined: 19 Oct 2009
Posts: 42
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
| Mushroom Druid wrote: |
| isabel wrote: |
| It is true that things are getting tighter. Where I work they are having a much harder time hiring internationally and getting work permits for new hires. |
The entire work permit situation is dysfunctional and to be blunt, stupid.
It's been going on since 2006.
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I have no criticisms of those who work without permits- we all do what we have to do- but it is better to be legal if possible. |
I have ALWAYS had money saved up to leave VN if necessary.
We'll see what happens. Always be prepare to return home or go to another country on short notice.
It's the nature of EFL in Vietnam. |
Great Advice, always keep $100,000,000 VND in your account and be prepared to drain it if need be. |
100 Million VND is about $5,000.
That's what I think it might cost me to go back to the US. Going to China or another Asian country would obviously cost a lot less.
Yes, it's rainy day/exit cash.
Things happen.
Yes, I HAVE actually not had the money to leave in the past and it's a dreadful feeling of being stuck, especially when you cannot leave and/or relocate because you lack funds. |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
Posts: 1751
Location: Eating yet another endless bowl of Pho...
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| sigmoid wrote: |
If the authorities made the procedure for getting a work permit clear, transparent, easy and affordable, everyone would have one.
Very simple... |
Funny...Ironic even Cambodia has the leg up on VN over that issue.
If VN charged $200 USD and made it pretty simple, (like it is in Mexico) most folks would have a WP.
In 7 years in Mexico I never had a problem getting my FM-3 temp residency visa (looks like a passport but the new ones are ID cards).
And with the FM-3 I was able to get:
A Mexican Tax Payer ID # RFC
CURP-National Identity Number
IMSS Card/Book-National Health Insurance
A valid Mexican Driver's License good for life
Mexican Bank Account (Banamex, IXE, Bancomer, HSBC, Banco Wal-Mart) with ATM card
I had store credit cards
Enroll in private pension retirement plans
X-Mas Bonus of 2 weeks salary paid the week before X-Mas
I can speak, read and write Spanish so I could actually understand everything going on around me.
Have full legal benefits & rights under Mexican Labor Law
Able to get full discounts as a Mexican Teacher such as free museum admissions, reduced rates, even got the Police on my side.
Viva Mexico! |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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Location: Eating yet another endless bowl of Pho...
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Mushroom Druid wrote: |
| Prof.Gringo wrote: |
| Mushroom Druid wrote: |
| isabel wrote: |
| It is true that things are getting tighter. Where I work they are having a much harder time hiring internationally and getting work permits for new hires. |
The entire work permit situation is dysfunctional and to be blunt, stupid.
It's been going on since 2006.
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I have no criticisms of those who work without permits- we all do what we have to do- but it is better to be legal if possible. |
I have ALWAYS had money saved up to leave VN if necessary.
We'll see what happens. Always be prepare to return home or go to another country on short notice.
It's the nature of EFL in Vietnam. |
Great Advice, always keep $100,000,000 VND in your account and be prepared to drain it if need be. |
100 Million VND is about $5,000.
That's what I think it might cost me to go back to the US. Going to China or another Asian country would obviously cost a lot less.
Yes, it's rainy day/exit cash.
Things happen.
Yes, I HAVE actually not had the money to leave in the past and it's a dreadful feeling of being stuck, especially when you cannot leave and/or relocate because you lack funds. |
As long as I can get back to the USA, I can get a job making $200 USD per day, 7 days week with free room/board. PM me for more info.
Otherwise, most of Asia is a $300-500USD one-way plave ticket from HCMC. Or a much cheaper bus ride to Cambo, Laos, Thailand, even China... |
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TRH
Joined: 27 Oct 2011
Posts: 61
Location: HCMC
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: Work permit surprise |
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They're telling me that there will be something new in Vietnam come January and that we really really need to get my application rolling. They haven't been the slightest bit specific about what this new thing is though.
Has anyone else been hearing anything unusual? |
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| the guy said something like on January 1st everything was going to get more strict. ........... He said it was "all over" the newspapers (tieng viet, not english) and was a tad surprised I didn't know. |
As I noted previously my wife read the same thing and said it was pretty specific that visa prices will come up as of 1 Jan 13. She did not say if the article said anything about work permits.
Apparently more than a few people did anticipate a change in fees. On Friday, the line at the visa office at CMT8 and Nguyen Du was out the door and down to the corner. Normally you go in, take a number, and wait about 10 minutes. We were headed there but opted to wait until some time next month. My wife says they were all too late anyway as the new fees will be charged in 2013 when the visas get picked up.
It remains to be seen if there is really a change in enforcement.
Other countries like Thailand and the Philippines have figured out that the best way to get money out of long term expatriates, especially the retired or those of independent means is to encourage them to stay longer. They do not to discourage them with shorter visas and higher fees but to give them longer visas and lower fees. The value to the country is in the money they drop every day for goods and services. Of course that would take an understanding of economics. |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
Posts: 1751
Location: Eating yet another endless bowl of Pho...
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: Work permit surprise |
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| TRH wrote: |
| robfir wrote: |
They're telling me that there will be something new in Vietnam come January and that we really really need to get my application rolling. They haven't been the slightest bit specific about what this new thing is though.
Has anyone else been hearing anything unusual? |
| bobpen wrote: |
| the guy said something like on January 1st everything was going to get more strict. ........... He said it was "all over" the newspapers (tieng viet, not english) and was a tad surprised I didn't know. |
As I noted previously my wife read the same thing and said it was pretty specific that visa prices will come up as of 1 Jan 13. She did not say if the article said anything about work permits.
Apparently more than a few people did anticipate a change in fees. On Friday, the line at the visa office at CMT8 and Nguyen Du was out the door and down to the corner. Normally you go in, take a number, and wait about 10 minutes. We were headed there but opted to wait until some time next month. My wife says they were all too late anyway as the new fees will be charged in 2013 when the visas get picked up.
It remains to be seen if there is really a change in enforcement.
Other countries like Thailand and the Philippines have figured out that the best way to get money out of long term expatriates, especially the retired or those of independent means is to encourage them to stay longer. They do not to discourage them with shorter visas and higher fees but to give them longer visas and lower fees. The value to the country is in the money they drop every day for goods and services. Of course that would take an understanding of economics. |
That's why Mexico gives a 180 Day tourist card upon arrival to all American tourists. You can walk across the border and get a new 180 day card, no questions asked, just another $25 bucks or whatever it is now...
For $200 Mexico let's you get the FM-3 residency visa very easily and this means you can stay year-round and pay Mexican TAX which is even bettter for Mexico as you can now pay the higher fee to stay legally and enjoy extra bennies while paying some nice new taxes. |
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