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the lowlander
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doogsville
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| Perhaps there is a good reason why you are getting what you describe as the full on 'Gwei Loh experience'. |
Ah right.
So I clearly deserve rascist abuse as I'm walking about in the street minding my own business.
You say you're Scottish?
Try using "there was a good reason for the racial abuse" excuse in a Scottish court and see how high that flies.
That attitude blows your entire credibility out of the water.
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| Please don't trot out the old 'I come from a multi cultural background myself' excuse, as though it somehow magically absolves you being capable of racism. It's as tired a cliché as the old 'some of my best friends are gay/black/Irish' nonsense I have heard so many times before, from racists who have just made or are about to make a racist/homophobic remark. It's still as pathetic now as it's always been. |
I'm not rascist. I'm simply pointing out a nasty strain of rascism that you and your fellow travellers appear to be wilfully blind to.
Or, as in your previous statement, would seek to excuse.
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| Lastly, what is with your obsession with other people being 'pro China and anti west'? You seem to feel the need to apply the term with anyone who either disagrees with you, or expresses any kind of positive attitude towards China and it's people. |
I have no such obsession, I'm simply pointing out the very obvious fact that everybody who posts something positive about China in this thread also adds something negative about the West.
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| What I don't understand, is why people in your position, who seem to dislike this country and it's people, and who have so many negative experiences here, continue to stay here. |
I have never said that I dislike the entire country,or its entire people. I have simply pointed out my personal opinions and experiences. And I don't continue to stay in China. I pass through these days for various reasons. Under no circumstances would I set up a permanent camp. |
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Zimmer
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[quote="the lowlander"]It's a pretty sad state of affairs when certain people rabidly and consistently attack their own culture, and seek to insult those who would defend it, whilst at the same time actively promote a culture that widely labels them as laowi and gwai-lo.
I didn't see any rabid attacks on people's own culture in the previous posts, just people trying to tell you they didn't have the same experience as you and are basically happy here. That doesn'[t make them a loser who couldn't make it in their own country, it just means they didn't have the bad experiences you seem to have had, or if they did they aren't going to let it affect them and make them bitter and angry.
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the lowlander
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:18 am Post subject: |
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| doogsville, some people only carry on discussions trying to bait you with meaningless and pointless statements. Don't fall for it. |
Would you be talking about yourself there, Javelin old chap? |
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choudoufu
Joined: 25 May 2010
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Location: Mao-berry, PRC
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:24 am Post subject: |
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| .....It would appear to me that such folk don't actually come from the culture they purport to represent, or that they couldn't cut the mustard in the lands of their birth, failed to get any meaningful qualifications, and subsequently became happy to lap up the scraps of 5000 to 6000 rmb tossed at them from the tables of their unscrupulous employers..... |
or could be some of us actually enjoy being in china, despite the occasional
frustrations. could be some of us found living in the west somewhat boring,
and wanted to experience other cultures. could be some of us retired early,
and don't need the measly table scrap salaries. could be those table scraps
are plenty to live a very comfortable life in china, seeing as housing is
provided. could be some of us actually enjoy teaching engrish 12 hours a
week in exchange for long-term visas/residence permits. |
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NoBillyNO
Joined: 11 Jun 2012
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| It's a pretty sad state of affairs when certain people rabidly and consistently attack their own culture, and seek to insult those who would defend it, whilst at the same time actively promote a culture that widely labels them as laowi and gwai-lo. |
This would be called an opinion.
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| It would appear to me that such folk don't actually come from the culture they purport to represent, or that they couldn't cut the mustard in the lands of their birth, failed to get any meaningful qualifications, and subsequently became happy to lap up the scraps of 5000 to 6000 rmb tossed at them from the tables of their unscrupulous employers. |
Assumptions Assumptions; You know what they say about those!
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| The people who take the Utopian view of China and the Distopian view of the West, regardless of whether they are posting as party apparatchiks, or folk living in a personal bubble, will all be in for a rude awakening when China's economic growth stalls (as it inevitably will) and the masses launch the umpteenth bloody revolution in China's history. |
No Guns. Likely the next arm insurrection will come from a place where those rights of self arming are protected as economic dissatisfaction is already a factor that is brewing and public talk of revolution and disobedience is centered towards the national government. I have read of China's economic stalling for 10 years or more and the prediction tht the unwashed hordes would overthrow the government but the simple truth is most are just not interested. |
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DirtGuy
Joined: 28 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:50 am Post subject: |
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How about we get back on topic and hear from people who aren't white and are succeeding at ESL in China? That would be a lot more interesting than the current material.
DG |
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fat_chris
Joined: 10 Sep 2003
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Location: Chengdu, Sichuan, PRC
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How about we get back on topic and hear from people who aren't white and are succeeding at ESL in China? That would be a lot more interesting than the current material.
DG |
Seconded.
Warm regards,
fat_chris |
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the lowlander
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:28 am Post subject: |
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dirt guy
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| How about we get back on topic and hear from people who aren't white and are succeeding at ESL in China? |
Why should this debate only focus on people who aren't white?
Rascism is rascism.
And why would you want to switch the thread to focus only on non-white people's success stories in China, rather than the overall truth?
What's your agenda?
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the lowlander
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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fat_chris
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| Also, some people only seem to prefer to carry on discussions which carry hints of paranoia and are spiced with too much irrational rage and overly simplistic arguments of black and white (and not really admitting any grey areas). Don't fall for it. |
Are insults all you have to add to this debate?
Someone posts something you don't like, and are then labelled by you as "paranoid" "irrational" and "overly simplistic".
Maybe your mummy forgot to tell you, but personal insults and mud-slinging are not arguments, or reasoned debates. In actual fact, they simply expose the fact that you have nothing meaningful to add here.
I am attempting to engage in a discussion. I am putting forward my feelings and voicing my arguments.
It seems to me that you are simply ganging up with your fellow travellers to simply shout abuse at someone you don't agree with.
Are you hoping to have this thread closed down?
Poor show, old chap.
Or should that be, well done comrade? |
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the lowlander
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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No Billy No
Noooooooooooooo.........
I can't be bothered correcting your spelling and grammar again Billy, so I'll let most of it slip.
As for this sentence,
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| Likely the next arm insurrection will come from a place where those rights of self arming are protected as economic dissatisfaction is already a factor that is brewing and public talk of revolution and disobedience is centred towards the national government |
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Possibly a very disjointed dig at America.
How strange that everyone who supports China on this thread, also has to attack the USA at the same time.
Is anyone seeing a pattern forming here?
Anyway, I sincerely hope that you're not "teaching" writing classes Billy.
Can I ask you a totally straight and honest question?
Do you really consider yourself to be an English teacher?
Do you really feel that you have the ability to teach reading, writing, speaking, listening, and grammar? |
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fat_chris
Joined: 10 Sep 2003
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Location: Chengdu, Sichuan, PRC
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fat_chris
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| Also, some people only seem to prefer to carry on discussions which carry hints of paranoia and are spiced with too much irrational rage and overly simplistic arguments of black and white (and not really admitting any grey areas). Don't fall for it. |
Are insults all you have to add to this debate?
Someone posts something you don't like, and are then labelled by you as "paranoid" "irrational" and "overly simplistic".
Maybe your mummy forgot to tell you, but personal insults and mud-slinging are not arguments, or reasoned debates. In actual fact, they simply expose the fact that you have nothing meaningful to add here.
I am attempting to engage in a discussion. I am putting forward my feelings and voicing my arguments.
It seems to me that you are simply ganging up with your fellow travellers to simply shout abuse at someone you don't agree with.
Are you hoping to have this thread closed down?
Poor show, old chap.
Or should that be, well done comrade? |
No, I really haven't levied out any personal insults. No "mud slinging" here.
Please be more objective--in your postings, are your messages really trying to engage others in conversation? Please be honest with yourself before you point fingers at others with this topic. Otherwise, you are only doing the boards here a real disservice. Please re-read your own postings and attempt to recognize the knee-jerking behaviors that are exhibited in your postings when someone posts something that doesn't go along with your messages.
...hence, my use of the word "paranoia". That seems to fit your behaviors here as evidenced by your recent patterns of posting when a poster isn't immediately critical of the PRC and its Chinese employers. You have accused many of being Chinese or even pro-Communist sympathizers. It's unfair, unjustified, and you really must stop, in order to maintain a standard of decency on these bulletin boards.
You seem to have an agenda here that plays the proverbial broken old record. I am not the only poster who has recognized this. You seem to like to label anyone who doesn't agree with you as a "pro-China/anti-West" person. It's getting really tiresome.
Please do Dave's a service and be more transparent in your motives. Why are you so keen on labelling many as "non-native speakers of English", "pro-Chinese/anti-West", etc? Have you had a bad experience? Do you have an axe to grind? It certainly seems so. It's becoming pathetic actually.
Having this thread closed down at this point would only be a service to the boards here because you aren't helping the matter at hand at all with your very one-sided postings. Your postings are becoming alarming. Are you all right?
Warm regards,
fat_chris
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the lowlander
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choudoufu
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| could be those table scraps are plenty to live a very comfortable life in china, seeing as housing is provided. could be some of us actually enjoy teaching engrish 12 hours a week in exchange for long-term visas/residence permits. |
Right mate.
So you clearly fit my profile of the middle aged guy who has left the West for whatever reason.
If you ask the average Chinese bloke on the Tianhe omnibus what the average FT is all about, he'll say they're in China because they failed back home both economically and romantically, and I reckon that might be right in the vast majority of FT cases.
Although I'm not pointing the finger at you.
Anyway, this glut of uneducated white faces fleeing from personal financial and romantic mishaps is totally instrumental in driving genuine teacher's wages down. It also allows unscrupulous employers to pay as little as they can get away with, whilst making a complete mockery of the EFL teaching profession.
Fortunately the current situation won't last forever.
China plans to tighten up the visa rules this year, so hopefully the sex-tourists and the misfits will be heading back from whence they came, and the genuine professionals can actually get on with doing a proper job, whilst being properly compensated at the same time.
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fat_chris
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I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Possibly a very disjointed dig at America.
How strange that everyone who supports China on this thread, also has to attack the USA at the same time.
Is anyone seeing a pattern forming here? |
I have absolutely no idea what is being talked about here. This message isn't very clear.
Warm regards,
fat_chris
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jibbs
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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I can't be bothered correcting your spelling...
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"Rascism is rascism. "
Can you spell "racism" correctly? |
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the lowlander
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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jibbs...
There is a choice of more than one spelling.
Don't you know that?
Jumping in and showing your ignorance of the English language on an English teacher's forum?
How typical on the Chinese board!
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