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scot47
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Sashadroogie
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:46 am Post subject: |
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Что что что?! |
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scot47
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Is Russian pluricentric ? I suspect not.
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Ixchel
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Russian is not pluricentric.
I don't know why I never knew Bosnian was Serbo-Croatian having grown up among a fair number of Serbs and Croats. Though no Bosnians which may explain it.
I also learned today why I can understand so much Norwegian from my Danish but no Swedish. |
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sparks
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:51 am Post subject: |
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Is Russian pluricentriuc ? I suspect not. |
Except here in Poland when you get "Russian" lessons from a Ukrainian and find yourself wondering why everything they tell you is different from what you read and heard in your little "Learn Russian" book and CD packet that you've bought; |
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Sashadroogie
Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:29 am Post subject: |
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Hmmm. I have that experience even in Moscow. I think it is a reflection on how rubbish most Russian language learning material is more than anything else. |
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Qaaolchoura
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Yeah, I love using the Serbo-Croatian-Bosnian-Montenegrin example, together with the Chinese "dialects" as an example of the political importance of lay linguistics. (Linguists usually recognize "Chinese" as many languages, and "Serbo-Croatian" as one.)
A pluricentric language basically has multiple standards and/or prestige dialects. So Russian isn't, unless you consider Ukrainian a dialect (as some Russians do), while English, Spanish, French, and Portuguese (oh, especially Portuguese) are. So are Hindustani (Hindi/Urdu) Persian, German, Romanian, Malay-Indonesian, and of course Serbo-Croatian.
I'd also argue that Turkish, Cypriot Turkish, and Azerbaijani might be a single pluricentric language, since from what I can tell speakers of all three can understand each other quite well. (And Cypriot Turkish, though generally accepted as a Turkish dialect is somewhat divergent from mainland Turkish, both because it's a different dialect to start, and because it didn't direct undergo Ataturk's reforms.)
The opposite of a pluricentric language is a "macro-language:" multiple languages considered one for political reasons. Thus Chinese, Arabic and Kurdish are treated as one language, despite the unintelligibility of their "dialects," which are generally accepted by linguists as independent languages.
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scot47
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:20 am Post subject: |
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I think the argument could be made that most - or even all - langauges are pluricentric.
Good insight in that Wiki article and it could be read with benefit by all students of Slavonic Languages, and anyone with an interest in Linguistics. |
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LongShiKong
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Also from Wikipedia:
Pluricentric language
A pluricentric language or polycentric[1][2] language is a language with several standard versions, both in spoken and in written forms. This situation usually arises when language and the national identity of its native speakers do not, or did not, coincide.
1 Examples
1.1 Catalan-Valencian-Balearic
1.2 Chinese
1.2.1 Writing system
1.2.2 Spoken Chinese
1.3 English
1.4 French
1.5 Galician
1.6 German
1.7 Hindi, Urdu, and Hindi languages
1.8 Portuguese
1.9 Serbo-Croatian
1.10 Others |
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