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Teaching English in KSA sans Western cultural components
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cmp45



Joined: 17 Aug 2004
Posts: 1475
Location: KSA

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bulgogiboy wrote:
I really didn't feel like I had to tip toe around the more controversial aspects of my culture. In fact, I found most young Saudi lads were very interested in western culture, especially Anglo-American pop culture. They all seemed to know and love music by Eminem, Lady Gaga, 50 Cent,etc. If I suggested watching an ESL learning video on Youtube, on the smartboard, they would always ask to watch a western music video instead. Also, a large percentage of my Saudi students displayed a lot of enthusiasm for starting discussions on subjects like drinking whisky, dating girls [b](replace the word 'dating' with a stronger gerund), smoking certain substances, etc.[/b] For all their faults, I didn't find male Saudi college students to be uptight or prone to 'righteous indignation' at all.


If I sounded over the top and judgemental it's due to the fact that you did not in any way state that you disapproved of this type of 'enthusiasm'. You mentioned the students "...starting discussions..." but didn't read anywhere that these conversations were stopped. This made me wonder just how long students were allowed to carry on with their enthusiatic conversations before you shut them up. How you were able to gain such detailed insight into their interests in said topics. After reading your post, I was left with the impression that there was alot of conversation exchanged to garner such insights. Nevertheless, I am now relieved that you clarified-defended your stance as a professional teacher. You can now remove your asbestos underwear Cool


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johnslat



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear cmp45,

Professionals are the ones that get paid for what they do, right, like, say, professional lady escorts Very Happy?

Regards,
John
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cmp45



Joined: 17 Aug 2004
Posts: 1475
Location: KSA

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Dear cmp45,

Professionals are the ones that get paid for what they do, right, like, say, professional lady escorts Very Happy?

Regards,
John


I'll let that one pass as a rhetorical question... to address the OPs topic of western culture in KSA educational system. It is disturbing that so many young Saudis focus on such things as rap music, sex, booze and drugs when they think of western culture. Surely there is more to western culture than this! Perhaps, the Saudi religious authorities could be somewhat forgiven for trying to stem the tide of such "culture". Shameful really... that this is what we are known for when Saudis think of western culture. Western society's freedom of expression means dumbing down the notion of culture with trashy Reality TV shows; sensational news stories -talk shows that focus on every lurid aspect of people's lives, glamorizing sex, violence, booze and drugs through rap lyrics! Evil or Very Mad Seems this fascination with (western) trash culture is endemic throughout the world.
I supose...one person's idea of trash is another's treasure.
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fledex



Joined: 05 Jun 2011
Posts: 342

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's see; Teaching English sans western culture. This reminds me of one of my favorite quotes for ESL teachers: "I'm afraid we can't get rid of god as long as we still believe in grammar." -- Friedrich Nietzsche
Chomp on that one Chomsky. Is it all in our genes: God, culture, grammar and so on, that is?
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scot47



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We live in a structured Universe. There is Grammar - whether we understand it or not. Make of that what you will.
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fledex



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
We live in a structured Universe. There is Grammar - whether we understand it or not. Make of that what you will.


But is that just a genetically bound perception, or is it something external to ourselves? Or is there even a difference?
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veiledsentiments



Joined: 20 Feb 2003
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Location: USA

PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say that grammar is genetically coded in the human brain... not "a" grammar, but we are pre-wired to pick up the language that we are born into...

VS
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goodooga



Joined: 11 Nov 2010
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:58 pm    Post subject: Headway Pre Int Reply with quote

My male students love p. 93 bottom right corner of Pre Int Headway. Whole lotta culture going on there.
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jaffa



Joined: 25 Oct 2012
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:34 am    Post subject: Re: Headway Pre Int Reply with quote

goodooga wrote:
My male students love p. 93 bottom right corner of Pre Int Headway. Whole lotta culture going on there.


Very Happy Any service, teacher?

Joking aside, I can get a 2 hour lesson out of that page.
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