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spiral78
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Johntpartee
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But, johnt. Did you ever meet a Maltese citizen who wasn't a fluent speaker of English? |
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No, I must admit I haven't. But, then again, I've never met a Maltese citizen. |
Sashadroogie:
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Ah, then they aren't cross with me. I actually do know quite a few Maltese citizens.
And yes - they all speak very fluent English. 
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johntpartee
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| That's exactly how you make 'em cross! |
And he swoops in and pounces like a falcon on a...........what do falcons pounce on? |
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artemisia
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I've wondered about that myself. Northern Ireland is considered part of the UK, but the rest of it......
EDIT: I just looked it up and the official language of the Republic of Ireland is Irish; maybe that makes it "iffy", kinda like South Africa. |
I think Gaelic is still learnt in school as the official language, but it certainly isn't widely spoken there any more than Maori (also an official language) is in NZ, so it must be due to the perception some countries have of the Irish Republic.
I seem to remember on another thread that those with an Irish passport (and South African) have to provide an IELTS score of 6.5 (?) to work in Thailand as English language teachers. I don't know about other countries. It's nuts! |
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sager
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There's a school in Germany that markets Filipinos as native speakers of English!  |
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Sashadroogie
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I've wondered about that myself. Northern Ireland is considered part of the UK, but the rest of it......
EDIT: I just looked it up and the official language of the Republic of Ireland is Irish; maybe that makes it "iffy", kinda like South Africa. |
I think Gaelic is still learnt in school as the official language, but it certainly isn't widely spoken there any more than Maori (also an official language) is in NZ, so it must be due to the perception some countries have of the Irish Republic.
I seem to remember on another thread that those with an Irish passport (and South African) have to provide an IELTS score of 6.5 (?) to work in Thailand as English language teachers. I don't know about other countries. It's nuts! |
This may well be true, but why discriminate against one multilingual country, but not another. There is a greater chance of hiring a non-English speaker from Canada, for example, than there ever would be from Ireland or New Zealand. No non-anglophone monoglots there whatsoever anymore, I believe. Not really the same in the Caribbean area, as far as my limited knowledge extends... |
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artemisia
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| This may well be true, but why discriminate against one multilingual country, but not another. There is a greater chance of hiring a non-English speaker from Canada, for example, than there ever would be from Ireland or New Zealand. |
That's why I think it's nuts. With Ireland, it makes no more sense to me than employers thinking (as I gather some do) that blond hair and blue eyes is what a real American has. I suppose South Africa does have quite a large number of official languages, but maybe such restrictions apply only in Thailand - never heard of this anywhere else. |
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tttompatz
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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| This may well be true, but why discriminate against one multilingual country, but not another. There is a greater chance of hiring a non-English speaker from Canada, for example, than there ever would be from Ireland or New Zealand. |
That's why I think it's nuts. With Ireland, it makes no more sense to me than employers thinking (as I gather some do) that blond hair and blue eyes is what a real American has. I suppose South Africa does have quite a large number of official languages, but maybe such restrictions apply only in Thailand - never heard of this anywhere else. |
While the specific cases of Ireland (recently added to the list of "Native Speakers") and S.Africa do apply to Thailand at least they can take the TOEIC (or other test of English competency) and get past the NNS thing (as can any other NNS).
In other countries (largely in Asia), for NNS, there is no legal option other than working on the wrong visa (technically illegal but often done in China or Taiwan, Vietnam and Indonesia).
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