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parnett



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude- you worked at ET for 6 years? If you are so negative about the place, why did you stay so long?
I did work at ET for more than seven years. I saw much of the bad, but also a lot of good things. The problem with ET is they don't employ enough people to handle the educational part of the business. There was Karen- she had one full time secretary and another one who only worked mornings. Together, they were in charge of hiring, orienting and sending teachers to the branches. They also had to do all of the schedules, alotted appropriate hours for each teacher etc. If there was a complaint from a student, a teacher or an administrator, they had to deal with it.
As far as teachers passing students who didn't deserve to be passed, I was head teacher at three different branches, and that never happened once. I was fortunate to have worked with three fairly honest and straight forward managers. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but you make it sound like it happens all of the time, and at all of the branches.
As for the books, I will agree with you that they are a continuing disaster. They were written by 6 head teachers who had no previous experience in writing textbooks. Fortunately, I only had to use these books for one class (I rarely taught).
I felt that ET was a fairly honest company compared to many others of the same ilk in Istanbul. They always paid on time. My teachers never had a problem with their pay. One teacher, who had broken his contract four months early, had no money for a ticket home. After I spoke with the General Manager (a good man), he agreed to give the teacher 3/4 of his bonus.
If you are an energetic person and teacher, ET will indeed work you to the bone. The General Manager works his butt off, and expects it from most of his staff.
If anyone has any questions about ET, feel free to email me. I can give you a much more honest answer than someone with an obvious chip on his shoulder.
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dudeteacher



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

parnett wrote:
Dude- you worked at ET for 6 years? If you are so negative about the place, why did you stay so long?
I did work at ET for more than seven years. I saw much of the bad, but also a lot of good things. The problem with ET is they don't employ enough people to handle the educational part of the business. There was Karen- she had one full time secretary and another one who only worked mornings. Together, they were in charge of hiring, orienting and sending teachers to the branches. They also had to do all of the schedules, alotted appropriate hours for each teacher etc. If there was a complaint from a student, a teacher or an administrator, they had to deal with it.
As far as teachers passing students who didn't deserve to be passed, I was head teacher at three different branches, and that never happened once. I was fortunate to have worked with three fairly honest and straight forward managers. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but you make it sound like it happens all of the time, and at all of the branches.
As for the books, I will agree with you that they are a continuing disaster. They were written by 6 head teachers who had no previous experience in writing textbooks. Fortunately, I only had to use these books for one class (I rarely taught).
I felt that ET was a fairly honest company compared to many others of the same ilk in Istanbul. They always paid on time. My teachers never had a problem with their pay. One teacher, who had broken his contract four months early, had no money for a ticket home. After I spoke with the General Manager (a good man), he agreed to give the teacher 3/4 of his bonus.
If you are an energetic person and teacher, ET will indeed work you to the bone. The General Manager works his butt off, and expects it from most of his staff.
If anyone has any questions about ET, feel free to email me. I can give you a much more honest answer than someone with an obvious chip on his shoulder.


Parnet,

I believe you are being honest in your post based on your experiences. I worked at ET on and off. I was actually at Interlang when they changed the name and made it completely ET. I would have left with the regular exodus; however, in their desperation to keep staff, I was offered over 4000 YTL/month. I sacrificed my self respect to pay bills. My quotes are based on five years of experience and those of colleagues at the Bakirkoy and Mededikoy branches.

I was at Taskim for most of my time. Marks were falsified CONSTANTlY. One HT openly said he would do nothing about it and even asked my colleague to let the students cheat and copy so that they could pass and not complain. The others simply didn't want to know about it and acted rude if told about it by teachers. The lazy teachers never hid their lack of work ethic and were never spoken to. The Turkish staff would walk over to the HT's computer and simply change exam marks. There was NOTHING they could do about it.

One guy cheated because he was repeating the exam. When given a pop quiz the next day, he couldn't write one sentence in the Simple Present and tried to attack the teacher. The school was informed, did nothing and that fellow got a 97 %. Another after giving in a blank exam, was allowed to redo the exam with his friend sitting next to him (unsupervised) he got 98%.
Teachers openly laughed at the fact that they were on the computer playing video games during their exams and getting paid for it. This went on for YEARS. I was at ET Taksim last year and was told by more than one teacher that if they failed students, they would complain and they would get less hours. So they simply started passing people. Karen and the various HTs have known for years about the cheating, false grades etc and seem powerless. One teacher who complained about it was told to go work elsewhere.

I have no chip on my shoulder, I speak the truth.

To their credit ET was useful in assisting me with my Visa and I was always paid on time. I forced myself to spend an extra year there because they gave us a great raise. Simply put I sacrificed my standards and self respect for the sake of paying bills.

I was offered an HT position and turned it down because I saw how useless and powerless they were at Taksim. I made it clear that if given the job, I would immediately fire incompetent teachers and would "defend" anyone I thought Management had treated unfairly. I respectfully suggested that I be allowed to be a teacher and unlike the HTs that I had observed have my self respect.

Parnett I am not calling you a liar. However, it's bold of you doubt me when you WEREN'T THERE.

My colleagues at Bak. and Med. parroted the same problems that I had.
I saw an HT refuse to assist students and a teacher who complained about a certain teacher. They would scream at him in the canteen and office. He did nothing but made sure to meet her for beer after class. He however, made sure to start monitoring the complaining teacher's classes and nit pick his classes, telling him never to use any negative words at any level.

Btw in 2009/10 the Turkish staff at Taksim were not allowed to have their one week holiday. That's two years without a holiday. However, the Manager made sure to take his. The Asst. Manager complained and was immediately fired.

Up to June of last year I was hearing the usual complaints about Med., Bak and Taksim. I will say that I've met teachers from the Kad. branch and they had nothing to negative to say. They also had nothing positive to say.

I recently got an email from a Tasksim student. She said "ET is the worst school. Everybody knows this except ET." .... Out of the mouth of babes.[/i]
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parnett



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few remarks:
- all of the high schools, universities, dersanes and langauge schools are awful (with the exception of a precious few). I taught at Koc University for 3 years. It is one of the highest rated and most respected universities in Turkey. Students who failed were always given passing grades so they (and their parent's money) could return the following year. Situations such as this were commonplace at 2 other universities I taught at. Unfortunately, the Turkish educational system is (and will probably always be) a total joke.
You speak as if what happens at ET is unique whereas it is the norm.
- I was aware of the problems at Taksim. It is probably the worst managed (and the most profitable) branch of ET. I was head teacher in Ankara, Sirinevler and Mecidiyekoy and there was never a student passed who didn't earn it.
Your overly long diatribe about ET is humorous in that you devote a total of three lines to what you found good about the school. Yet being paid on time could very well be the most important factor for a teacher when choosing a school to work at. I worked at a total of four universities and 2 language schools during my thirteen years in Turkey. ET was one of only 2 schools to pay on time, all the time. For you to minimalize this important aspect further illustrates the fact you do indeed have a large chip on your shoulder concerning ET.
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dudeteacher



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

parnett wrote:
A few remarks:
- all of the high schools, universities, dersanes and langauge schools are awful (with the exception of a precious few). I taught at Koc University for 3 years. It is one of the highest rated and most respected universities in Turkey. Students who failed were always given passing grades so they (and their parent's money) could return the following year. Situations such as this were commonplace at 2 other universities I taught at. Unfortunately, the Turkish educational system is (and will probably always be) a total joke.
You speak as if what happens at ET is unique whereas it is the norm.
- I was aware of the problems at Taksim. It is probably the worst managed (and the most profitable) branch of ET. I was head teacher in Ankara, Sirinevler and Mecidiyekoy and there was never a student passed who didn't earn it.
Your overly long diatribe about ET is humorous in that you devote a total of three lines to what you found good about the school. Yet being paid on time could very well be the most important factor for a teacher when choosing a school to work at. I worked at a total of four universities and 2 language schools during my thirteen years in Turkey. ET was one of only 2 schools to pay on time, all the time. For you to minimalize this important aspect further illustrates the fact you do indeed have a large chip on your shoulder concerning ET.


As you are ex management, your perspective is unsurprising as well as humorous. I had very little to say about ET positively as do most teachers there, likewise, most students.

I guess paying on time makes it ok to falsify grades and give teachers classes that are unteachable.

Unlike you, I have no bias. Rather, I give any potential employee info that I would want were I applying for a job.

I worked at six different schools during my time in Turkey and five paid me on time.

However, as ex management that fact that you have confessed that certain branches are badly run and false grades given out is worth noting.
I'm sure potential applicants appreciate it.

Dude.
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docmoxie



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:06 pm    Post subject: English Time Bursa Reply with quote

My fiancee and I have been offered a job with the Bursa branch--has anyone heard anything about them specifically? I'm curious if the problems people have mentioned are systemic to English Time or Turkey in general, or specific to each branch.

Details:
$1300 a month
housing stipend of 300 TL
1000 $ Bonus
650 $ Travel reimbursement
300 TL monthly rent reimbursement or lodging agreement
20 TL Hourly Rate (Net)
Residence and work permit expense if contract is completed.

Should we take this?

Thanks,
docmoxie
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desert



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:19 am    Post subject: Re: English Time Bursa Reply with quote

docmoxie wrote:


Should we take this?

Thanks,
docmoxie


I sent you a private message about this.
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erics



Joined: 07 May 2013
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Location: paradise

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 6:58 am    Post subject: ET Bursa