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[Sashadroogie]

Dear Johnslat

Did you know that here in the Motherland, most vaccinations are composed of alcohol? Fun fact, that. Way, way better for Parties than mere tea. Imagine a Revolution based on tea, pah!!


Best wishes

Sasha

[Sashadroogie]

Seems to be some sort of delay in directing us to the scientific evidence linking vaccination to autism and cancer. I mean, there is proof to back up this claim, isn't there? There must be! I read so here! A big claim like that absolutely needs serious evidence, so it must be there. I know it. I'll just wait here, patiently.

[wangdaning]

Well Sasha, in the motherland some vaccines are banned. Maybe you should read what the Russian scientists have to say. You are depending too much in the piggies, no?

[Sashadroogie]

Aw, that's no answer at all. Just a diversion. Come on. Where's the proof? The proof you said science had already provided.

[wangdaning]

Well, the US CDC admitted that there had been Simian Virus 40 in polio vaccinations. The virus is known to cause cancer. Unfortunately, they removed the page fairly quickly. If you search for info on it many people were able to copy the page before it disappeared.

I might have spoken too quickly on the autism front though. Apologies.

[Sashadroogie]

Hmmm. So there's no readily available evidence from a reputable source to support your claim, then. That is what you are saying?

[sparks]

Sasha, shouldn't your reply about the CDC removing info from it's page be something more like....

Of course, we all know how the piggie governments in the West lie and cover up info from the citizens in order to aide and support their corporate sponsors! Come to Russia!

[wangdaning]

[johnslat]

This may be relevant:

"Vaccines DO NOT Contain Fetal Tissue: Of the many lies told by anti-vaccination advocates, this is one of the worst, because it hits on a real moral issue. However, anyone with a modicum of training in biology will tell you that it is impossible for vaccines (or any other injected medicine) to contain human tissue. The reason is simple: if you are injected with anything containing tissue from another person, your body will immediately recognize it as an invader and begin attacking it. This immune response is often quite radical and can easily lead to death! This is why blood from a donor to a recipient must be carefully matched before the recipient can receive it. Thus, there is no human tissue of any kind in vaccines. Unfortunately, the anti-vaccination movement (and even some naive pro- life groups) will try to convince the uninformed that vaccines contain tissue from aborted babies and that abortions must be continually done to supply this tissue to the "evil" drug companies. This is, of course, a bald-faced lie. Unfortunately, this lie is particularly evil, in that it targets a person's morally correct view that abortion is murder.

For any lie to be successful, there must be a grain of truth in it. This lie is no exception. There is a tangential connection between some vaccines and abortion. The Hepatitis A vaccine, the MMR vaccine, and the chicken pox vaccine all contain viruses (weakened or inactivated) that were grown in human cells. A virus must be given a medium in which to propagate. Many vaccines use viruses that can propagate in several kinds of mammal cells, but some viruses are so specific that they can only propagate in human cells. The viruses used in the above-listed vaccines are that specific. Thus, they must be grown in human cells.

Where do the vaccine companies get the cells for these vaccines? They get them from companies like Coriell Cell Repositories, 403 Haddon Avenu, Camden, New Jersey 08103, 800-752-3805. This company has many cell lines, which are cultures of self-perpetuating cells. Each culture of cells is continually reproducing, making more cells. Those cells are sold to researchers, drug companies, and other medical technology firms. The specific cell lines used in vaccines are the MRC-5 and WI-38 cell lines1, and they have been supplying medical research of all types for more than 35 years. Where do these cell lines come from? That's where the grain of truth in this lie comes from. Both of these cell lines were cultured from cells taken from two abortions, one (MRC-5) that was performed in September,1966 and one (WI-3 that was performed in July, 1962. "Now that you have learned the facts, we can discuss the moral issues involved. Is it immoral to use these cell lines to make vaccines? The answer is definitely not. You might think that the cell lines are somehow "tainted" because they come from abortions; however, think about it for a moment. Abortion is murder. A person who claims to be a physician purposefully kills an innocent, unprotected person. That is evil, and there is no doubt about it. However, let's consider another murder, shall we? Let's suppose one of your loved ones was shot in a robbery attempt. You rush your loved one to the hospital, but it is too late. Your loved one dies. This is another murder, and it is just as evil.

Suppose that the doctors rush in and tell you that there is a young boy in the next room who needs a heart immediately, or he will die. The doctors have analyzed your loved one's blood and found that your loved one is a perfect match for the dying boy. Would you donate your loved one's heart to the boy? I certainly would. It would be a tragedy that my loved one was murdered, but at least this would be a "silver lining" in that dark cloud. At least my loved one's death would mean that a young boy could live.

The cells that were taken from the two aborted babies more than 35 years ago are much like my loved one's heart. Two innocent babies were killed. However, they were able to donate something that has been used not only to make vaccines, but in many medical research projects over the years. Thus, these cells have been saving millions of lives for almost two generations! Although the babies were clearly murdered, the fact that their cells have been saving lives is at least a silver lining in the dark cloud of their tragic murder.

It is important to note that Federal law is quite specific in the matter of donated fetal tissue. The law does not allow for an abortion to be performed for the purpose of donating tissue, and the law even explicitly states that the abortion procedure cannot be changed in order to collect the tissue4. It also prohibits the baby's family or the doctor from profiting from the donation5. Thus, these cells were truly donated, just as any organ might be donated. If a person is an organ donor and he or she is murdered, it is not immoral for you to use those organs. Once again, at least something good will come out of the murder if those organs are used.

Now that you know the facts, you can see why I consider this lie so devious. Anti-vaccination advocates play on a person's proper moral indignation about abortion, claiming that if a person gets vaccinated, he or she is supporting the abortion industry. Of course, nothing could be further from the truth. Whether or not you get vaccinated, the same number of abortions will be performed, as abortions are not necessary to make new vaccines. In addition, you are actually dishonoring the memories of those two precious babies if you refuse vaccination, because you are refusing the one good thing that has come from their murder. At the same time, you are putting your life and the lives of your loved ones in jeopardy by refusing one of the greatest protections that medicine has ever developed! How could anyone call himself pro-life if he dishonors the memory of those who have been murdered while risking the lives of those he loves?

Interestingly enough, a June 9, 2005 statement from the Pontifical Academy for Life (the Vatican's official voice in the area of abortion/right-to-life) comes to essentially the same conclusion. Even though some organizations have mischaracterized the document as condemning the use of such vaccines6, the document, in fact, says quite the opposite. It says that when an alternative vaccine which has no connection whatsoever to abortion is available, parents should use it. There is no question that this is the moral thing to do. In addition, when there is no alternative available, parents should object by demonstration, etc. so as to force manufactures to come up with an alternative.

However, as for actually using the vaccines that have no alternatives, the document clearly says that parents can do so in order to protect their children and the community. The English translation of the document (originally written in Italian) says, "As regards the vaccines without an alternative, the need to contest so that others may be prepared must be reaffirmed, as should be the lawfulness of using the former in the meantime insomuch as is necessary in order to avoid a serious risk not only for one's own children but also, and perhaps more specifically, for the health conditions of the population as a whole - especially for pregnant women."7 Note what this official Roman Catholic document says. It says that parents should CONTEST the vaccines so as to force the manufactures to find new ways to make them, but UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, parents can still use the vaccines that have no alternative, because it will allow them to avoid serious risk to their children, and more importantly, to the population as a whole. The moral good done by the vaccine, then, outweighs any moral evil when it comes to actually USING the vaccine. The statement clearly says the MAKING of the vaccine is bad, but the USE of it is not. In fact, the document specifically mentions rubella as something that should be vaccinated against, even though there is no alternative vaccine - "Moreover, we find, in such a case, a proportional reason, in order to accept the use of these vaccines in the presence of the danger of favouring the spread of the pathological agent, due to the lack of vaccination of children. This is particularly true in the case of vaccination against German measles."7

Because some organizations have tried to mischaracterize this statement, the Catholic News Service (CNS) produced an article that quotes Msgr. Jacques Suaudeau, a medical doctor and official at the Pontifical Academy for Life, as saying, "If the health of the child or of the whole population [is at risk], the parents should accept having their kid be vaccinated if there is no alternative." 8 Because some organizations clearly do not like the Roman Catholic church officially saying that the use of these vaccines is morally acceptable, they have asked the Pontifical Academy for Life to change its statement. However, CNS reports that Msgr. Jacques Suaudeau said the document "could not be changed" because it accurately reflected church teaching.8 Despite what you might read, then, even the Vatican supports the use of vaccines that have a tangential relationship to abortion, as long as no alternative vaccines are available."

http://www.drwile.com/lnkpages/render.asp?vac_abortion

Proslogion-Vaccines: The REAL Story - Vaccines DO NOT Contain Fetal Tissu
www.drwile.com

Regards,
John

[Sashadroogie]

[Sashadroogie]

So far, no credible hard evidence has been presented at all concerning the supposed dangers of vaccination.

Is this what truthers are all about?

[johnslat]

WARNING: IRONY/SARCASM ALERT:

"IN COMPLETELY UNFORESEEABLE COINCIDENCE, ANTI-VACCINE CHURCH HIT BY MEASLES OUTBREAK

God works in mysterious ways, doesn’t He? Far more mysterious ways than the measles virus does, at least — we know a hell of a lot about the virus, like how to inoculate people against it. But God, He’s mysterious, and one of His earthly servants, Kenneth Copeland, is not a fan of vaccines, instead urging his flock to “teach our children to eat right” as part of “God’s health and wellness plan.” (And yes, in that video, Copeland promotes the completely discredited notion that vaccines cause autism.)
Big surprise: Copeland’s church is at the center of a measles outbreak that has infected at least 10 people in Tarrant County, Texas. As another famous Texan said, oops.
The Dallas Morning News says that Copeland’s megachurch released a statement Tuesday explaining that a “visitor” to the church had been exposed to measles on an overseas trip:
Eagle Mountain International Church, about 50 miles northwest of Dallas, released a statement Tuesday that said a visitor attended a service who had been overseas and was exposed to measles.
“Therefore the congregation, staff at Kenneth Copeland Ministries and the daycare center on the property were exposed through that contact,” the statement said.
Al Roy, spokesman for the county’s Public Health Department, said the 10 cases are connected and the department has “been working with individuals who attend the church.”
In what appears to be first-time concern for vaccination, the church offered two free vaccination clinics so that parents could add a little extra to God’s natural protection from disease. The Dallas Observer notes that Copeland’s daughter, Terri Copeland Pearsons, had to do some “nifty theological footwork … as she struggled to explain how believers should trust their health to both God and medical professionals.”
“There are a lot of people that think the Bible — we talk about walking by faith — it leaves out things such as, I don’t know, people just get strange. But when you read the Old Testament, you find that it is full of precautionary measures, and it is full of the law.
“Why did the Jewish people, why did they not die out during the plague? Because the Bible told them how to be clean, told them how to disinfect, told them there was something contagious. And the interesting thing of it, it wasn’t a medical doctor per se who took care of those things, it was the priesthood. It was the ministers, it was those who knew how to take the promises of God as well as the commandments of God to take care of things like disinfection and so forth….
“Many of the things that we have in medical practice now actually are things you can trace back into scripture. It’s when we find out what’s in the scripture that we have wisdom.”
Translation: All that stuff about the dangers of vaccines causing autism that my dad was spouting a couple of years ago? A closer read of the Bible has revealed that God wants you to be healthy, so go get vaccinated, and then when the vaccine works, that’s God taking care of you. Bye!"

http://wonkette.com/526517/in-completely-unforseeable-coincidence-anti-vaccine-church-hit-by-measles-outbreak#9yd4SzRefj4gARl7.99

Regards,
John

[Sashadroogie]

Dear Johnslat

I read on the Innerwebby thingymejig that the Apollo moon landings were all about secretly testing alien vaccines, before the evil Reds did it first. But it is probably not true because NASA covered the whole thing up to begin with.

Hope you are wearing your tinfoil hat!


Best wishes

Sardonic Sasha

[sparks]

Ummm....

I don't know if you guys don't know it or what but aliens have been here for millenia, they have been influencing civilisation since the beginning. Don't you watch Ancient Aliens? It's on the History Channel so I know it's 100% accurate....it's history. Anyway, why would NASA care about the moon, they have had intergalactic technology since the 1950's at least.

[Sashadroogie]

Excellent!