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Any US Lawyers teaching English out there?
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GonnaBe



Joined: 10 Jun 2012
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Location: California

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"I thought that becoming a lawyer in the US was a licence to print money"

Yes, I know you were joking, but some of actually spend our lives helping the poor and disenfranchised.

For some of us TESOL will be a step up in pay, and definitely a step down in stress.

And I would think that a law degree is VERY relevant, because non-American attorneys work with American attorneys and need to understand the lingo. EMployers who fail to recognize this are giving up what I would think would be a large niche market.

So back to the topic at hand, I keep hearing (credibly)about attorneys who go to Rome and open their own businesses. Also what about those who buy real estate?

Or, as Lucy said to Charlie Brown -- There must be a loophole, lol.

That said, y'all have convinced me to save this particular fight for a later time...

Thanks to those have been nice, and not to those who haven't. Laughing

GB
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Teacher in Rome



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So back to the topic at hand, I keep hearing (credibly)about attorneys who go to Rome and open their own businesses. Also what about those who buy real estate?


Really? The US legal system and the Italian legal system are very different. For you to practise as an Italian lawyer you'd need to a) speak Italian fluently and b) study the Italian legal system. That would take a few years at least - as it does for Italian lawyers.

One area in which you could conceivable practise would be in offering immigration advice to US citizens (ie getting Italian citizenship) or in working for a US firm already on the ground here, providing legal services for US citizens / companies etc. That might be the most practical option: getting hired by a US company already in Italy. I have no idea where you'd find a list of US law firms here, but perhaps try the chamber of commerce.

Even if you buy real estate in Italy, you won't be able to live in it full time unless you've got some sort of visa. On a tourist visa you have 90 days every 180 days. So three months twice a year is all you could legally do.

Beware Italian property taxes for non-residents (as you'd be). They're steep, and because the government is presently running around like those proverbial chickens, they're unpredictable. On one day, off the next. If you did decide to invest in real estate, my advice would be big cities, seaside, or mountains / ski resorts. That is, places you can sell up easily / quickly. Avoid crumbling piles in the middle of nowhere.
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HLJHLJ



Joined: 06 Oct 2009
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theoretically, there probably is some way of opening a business in Europe and hiring yourself as an employee, but it won't be straight forward. Especially as you would have to prove there is no-one already in the EU who could do the job, which would rule out English teaching. I suppose you would need someone already legally resident to actually open and run the company, but beyond that I couldn't begin to guess how the practicalities would work.

In any case, if you have reliable reports of American lawyers already doing this in Italy, then the obvious thing would be to find them and ask them how they did it. It's a somewhat esoteric question for a board aimed at English teachers.
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nomad soul



Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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Location: Mesopotamia

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the above two posters, especially HLJHLJ's comments about trying to get answers about teaching American law on a discussion board dedicated to English language teaching.

Frankly, in addition to choosing employment in a country (Italy) that's difficult for non-EU passport holders, you're aiming too high and too early in the game. Focus on countries where your citizenship is not at issue and begin by targeting the business English market there---plenty of language schools/institutes include this ESP domain. Your one year's TEFL experience, TEFL cert, and legal background will be more than enough to qualify you to teach BE. Once you've gotten some BE experience under your belt, then start marketing yourself as a legal English instructor to your employer while at the same time, networking for potential, non-EFL legal/law teaching opportunities. In fact, the business and legal professionals you end up teaching will quite likely be a great source for pointing you in the right direction.
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GonnaBe



Joined: 10 Jun 2012
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Location: California

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Nomad for the straightforward advice. As I said in my last post, I'm moving on for the time being, but will continue to gather information.

Are you really in Iraq? Feel free to pm me.

Cheers.

GB
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