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How difficult is it to find a job in DF?
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

donato wrote:
Prof.Gringo wrote:
donato wrote:
In my experiences it seems super easy to get a decent business teaching job ($150 more or less) even without a work visa. Personally I have one, but with the new laws I have witnessed companies who used to require them now flat-out not requiring them anymore. With your experience I would say you'd have no problem. Even without it I've seen people with no experience or visa get decent jobs. Colegios and the like may be more difficult (probably much more I'd think) if you're interested in going down that (stressful but potentially profitable) road.


$150 pesos per HOUR of teaching biz classes.

SAME pay as almost TEN years ago!!!

And now the peso is weaker, so it's even worse.

And don't forget your COMMUTE time which is wasted and of course, unpaid, canceled classes are unpaid, unpaid holidays, yep, it's a great gig!

I vote for colegios as being the hands-down winner in terms of having an actual salary, benefits, paid vacation etc.

Never saw a language school that could match a good colegio in Mexico when you consider that the colegio jobs are usually M-F 7am-4pm and you have weekends free. If you want a "normal" life in Mexico, that's the best option.

I mean if you want a social life in the evenings or on weekends. It's kinda hard to socialize when you have to teach late in a language school. A colegio will be the most stable of the easily available job options as well.


I never said it was good pay! You can supplement that with privates and some places will pay a little more. But no argument from here. If money is your goal then Colegios is definitely the way to go if you have the stomach for that kind of work (of course if money is your goal you probably shouldn't be in Mexico in the first place).


Sorry, I wasn't attacking you or what you posted, I was just pointing out the sad state of EFL in Mexico in regards to wages.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

150 pesos per hour is on the low end of the scale now, but not unexpected. In DF anyway, you should be making 170-200 on those biz classes. It is similar to almost 10 years ago I agree. I made 65 pesos an hour myself doing the same classes 12 years ago, but the peso was 8-1 on the dollar then.

Colegios can be good, depending on which. You have to factor in the tax rate there as compared to business English classes. Your 17 or 18 k per month at a bilingual school is good but lop off 20+% in taxes and it starts to dwindle. Business English classes are often gamed to a degree so that your earn your full 170 per hour - on 20 actual class hours per week that is the same as what a halfway decent colegio pays net. Benefits are the difference though, correct.

Now, if you want to talk real dosh, then you have to look at upgrading your CV, and you do that by linking into a school that offers professional development. There are bilingual colegios that do this well, moving you from TEFL into IB training and teaching.

Salaries have never been Mexico's forte...but professional development is where you can win here if you think forward.
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donato



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should clarify net pay re: 150. But yes, point taken.

For those of you new, be sure to ask beforehand what your net pay looks like.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
150 pesos per hour is on the low end of the scale now, but not unexpected. In DF anyway, you should be making 170-200 on those biz classes. It is similar to almost 10 years ago I agree. I made 65 pesos an hour myself doing the same classes 12 years ago, but the peso was 8-1 on the dollar then.

Colegios can be good, depending on which. You have to factor in the tax rate there as compared to business English classes. Your 17 or 18 k per month at a bilingual school is good but lop off 20+% in taxes and it starts to dwindle. Business English classes are often gamed to a degree so that your earn your full 170 per hour - on 20 actual class hours per week that is the same as what a halfway decent colegio pays net. Benefits are the difference though, correct.

Now, if you want to talk real dosh, then you have to look at upgrading your CV, and you do that by linking into a school that offers professional development. There are bilingual colegios that do this well, moving you from TEFL into IB training and teaching.

Salaries have never been Mexico's forte...but professional development is where you can win here if you think forward.


I think it is clear that a colegio is most likely the way to go for long-term career goals or development, especially if you can get hired by one of the "top-tier" colegios in DF which are the most likely to help with becoming a better teacher.

It's also possible to have a stable income in a colegio position, something to remember for any long-term goals or plans.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

donato wrote:
I should clarify net pay re: 150. But yes, point taken.

For those of you new, be sure to ask beforehand what your net pay looks like.


This point should go for any job offer, make sure what your pay is going to be, after taxes and any other "deductions".


Some schools do provide compensation which is not part of the base salary.
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Teacher Jack



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
150 pesos per hour is on the low end of the scale now, but not unexpected. In DF anyway, you should be making 170-200 on those biz classes. It is similar to almost 10 years ago I agree. I made 65 pesos an hour myself doing the same classes 12 years ago, but the peso was 8-1 on the dollar then.

Colegios can be good, depending on which. You have to factor in the tax rate there as compared to business English classes. Your 17 or 18 k per month at a bilingual school is good but lop off 20+% in taxes and it starts to dwindle. Business English classes are often gamed to a degree so that your earn your full 170 per hour - on 20 actual class hours per week that is the same as what a halfway decent colegio pays net. Benefits are the difference though, correct.

Now, if you want to talk real dosh, then you have to look at upgrading your CV, and you do that by linking into a school that offers professional development. There are bilingual colegios that do this well, moving you from TEFL into IB training and teaching.

Salaries have never been Mexico's forte...but professional development is where you can win here if you think forward.


In 1998 to 2000, I was making between 120 and 160 pesos an hour for business classes, depending on the employer...I had three different ones. The lowest paying schools were in the 80 to 100 pesos an hour.
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