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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re: ???? Reply with quote

das31 wrote:
My experience teaching English in Korea has taught me that looks are extremely important in getting oneself noticed in the field of teaching. Indeed, enhancing one's looks by Photoshop is in fact the norm for official photographs in Korea.

This issue is not the same in Saudi... and there are hundreds of professors and teachers of various sub-continental background. They will know from your name and photo, so I don't really see how playing around with your photo will change anything. If the employer is looking for a lily-white Westerner, they will already exclude you - and you should probably consider yourself lucky. Cool BUT, most will be more focused on your CV, your accent, and your passport.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh Please rollingk!

I read about the usage of the n-word related to KSA on this forum, but never heard about it in reality. However, I have heard much maligned things against the South Asians (Thai,Philippines). Sacked and then reinstated!

As for speaking with a British accent and getting a low salary, just because of the colour of ones skin- I can assure you that some of these teachers are getting paid more than 'white' skinned ones.

Oh and also I've heard typical cockney accents in KSA and they're doing great!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As for speaking with a British accent and getting a low salary, just because of the colour of ones skin- I can assure you that some of these teachers are getting paid more than 'white' skinned ones.

Oh and also I've heard typical cockney accents in KSA and they're doing great!


I was talking about the distinct brand of English so common among Indian nationals and immigrants, an English much related to Victorian era English. No one has mentioned British accents, Cockney or otherwise. That would be nonsense.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What era are you living in?

Who has ever heard what Victorian English sounds like- and I travel to India and Pakistan a lot. Yes, there is a certain brand of English spoken there, that is peculiar to that region, but overall the English that is spoken is on a par with good English. Listen to the Asian reporters from BBC and various other channels and business people.

Plus the teachers who are of sub-continent background speak 'proper' English. Is that what you're alluding to?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The Times of India" shows the rest of us how to write !
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was speaking from my experience working for a short while in India. Actually, the trainees I worked with in Chennai may have on average been better speakers than many subcontinental teachers I've encountered in KSA.

The "proper" English you speak of is only proper if the rules of pragmatics are observed. The world has moved on a bit since Victoria's time. Also, writing and speaking have different requirements in this regard.

Candles, sorry if I somehow tripped over delicate sensibilities. People will believe what they wish in the end anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't apologise. Each to their own perception. My 'delicate sensibilities' have taken worst hits.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CANDLES wrote:
Who has ever heard what Victorian English sounds like- and I travel to India and Pakistan a lot.

Not a criticism, but the Indian English dialect does preserve many details of the BrEng brought to their shores under Victoria. Not so much the 'sound,' but the vocabulary. Interesting thesis topic... Cool

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I beg to state that...

Please revert at your soonest...

Your perusal of my report...



Simply google hinglish (and chinglish, cuz that's way funnier) Very Happy

Heck, even Wikipedia has an entry on hinglish! Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

das31:

The mere fact that you are thinking of tinkering with your photo in order to enhance your chances of getting a job in Saudi Arabia, suggests that you lack the kind of confidence that you will need in order to succeed in that country, assuming that you are ever offered a position there.

Racism exists in every country on planet Earth, and you had better quickly get accustomed to that simple fact. In applying for a job, you should emphasize your academic qualifications, your experience and whatever relevant advantages that you might bring to the position.

Evolution ensured that people appear in a variety of shapes and colours, with a wide diversity of facial characteristics. Stop worrying about silly sociological constructs that naive people attach to facial features. Life is short. You could be dead tomorrow.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh dear! Sad

Actually I use the word 'perusal' is that not allowed then? If I was a lawyer I'd use ' I'd beg to differ'.....Sire! There you go- good old fashioned Victoria/Elizabethan English.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear CANDLES,

Having perused your last post, I beg to differ. Smile

Regards,
John
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sire...sorry to offend thee. I beg your gracious pardon. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear CANDLES,

Think nothing of it, old bean. Cheers and carry on.

Regards,
John
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