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Fitzgerald



Joined: 10 Aug 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:21 pm    Post subject: Teacher Observations? Reply with quote

Seeking enlightenment here. I have been puzzled for the past three years that my "prestigious" Mexican employer, the Tecnologico de Monterrey, does not, at least in the prepa on my campus, conduct any teacher observations. I have never had another adult in my classroom during those three years. Now, don't get me wrong - I love the freedom that this brings me, and like many teachers, I am not crazy about being observed (it always seems to happen on the wrong day). But without a system of observation and subsequent professional evaluation, how is the school making so much as a gesture in the direction of quality control? As far as I can tell, the only information inputs into my annual evaluations are the student evaluations, which are viewed almost religiously here, but which I think in themselves are completely inadequate to judge the caliber of a teacher's pedagogy.

I have asked about this a number of times, and have always been told "We don't do that here" and "No one has time." That seems supremely lame to me. If no one has visited my classroom because no one actually cares what goes on in my classroom, I think that is very bad. Unfortunately, it would be consistent with my sense of the institution being much more focused on its marketing than on safeguarding the quality of the product it is marketing.

How about the rest of you? Do you get observed? Or is it not common in Mexico? What is your take on this subject?
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donato



Joined: 05 May 2010
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Location: Mexico City, Mexico

PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If everything else is good I wouldn't complain. Why be upset when someone else may have a different idea of how things should be done. There are worse things to complain about.
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Guero1



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Observations, however arbitary they may be, are always a good source of feedback and may provide an insight into a different perspective into how you(we) actually teach. Shame you don't have any in my opinion, it is a great development tool.

Seriously, if it is a problem that you don't have many, then ask if you can film your own class and do some retrospective observations. A reflective practicioner is a better teacher in the long run.
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donato



Joined: 05 May 2010
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Location: Mexico City, Mexico

PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also good points. What's bad is that often places will observe and won't give any feedback.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think students' feedback is way more important than supervisors feedback. I'm definitely in the "judge me on my results, not on my method" camp.
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philipjmorgan42



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was never observed at the Tecnologico de Monterrey either. In fact, they didn't even properly observe me when they wanted a demo class, my soon to be boss disappeared out of the room about 5 minutes in and didn't come back.

Like you say, their strategy is basically to go with whatever the students want. I had one nightmare class when I was there. The students complained about me being too strict (when I caught some of them doing science homework in my class, I took it off them and threw it away, which I didn't think was unreasonable...) so my boss told me I had to change my approach...She didn't come and observe me or give me any help on trying to get 25 raucous students to stay quiet for more than one minute at a time...

Another teacher got multiple complaints on more than one occasion about his classes - students didn't think they were being taught right, he kept showing them videos all the time etc. Same thing. All she did was tell him he needed to be doing x, y, z. Didn't go and observe his classes to see for herself what was happening in the classroom.
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philipjmorgan42



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with you about the importance of observations. Personally, I hate being observed. But for teachers without much experience, feedback from another teacher can really help you improve and stop making mistakes.

As far as I know private language schools are the only places that observe, 2 out of the 4 schools I worked for observed me, they don't seem to do observations in the public uni where I work now...
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boomerexpat



Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I teach a class at one of the Tech campuses and have never been observed. My department only uses student evaluations of teachers. you have to score 1.5 to 1 to be rehired.

Consequently, teachers hand out A's like they were candy at Halloween.
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demishout



Joined: 05 Mar 2014
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find that speaking to other teachers and hearing out their advice helps a lot in improving yourself as a teacher. Whether it's poor or good advice, you can always turn it to your benefit by employing where you best see fit.

Feedback from students is generally more reliable as they see you every class whereas a one time observation from management wouldn't ever get the whole picture.
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