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p1randal



Joined: 23 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:17 pm    Post subject: Good Start Reply with quote

Good Evening:

Basic Info
29 Male American Citizen
BA Spanish/English
MA TESOL
4.5 years experience (2 years Korea 2.5 years U.S.A)

I am pretty easy going. I really enjoyed my time in Hong Kong when I visited and I have a few friends there. I see many jobs basically asking me what my salary requests are.

What is a fair request I should make? I know for my first year I will be getting the "lay of the land" and then I can make more informed choice my second year.

Thanks guys,

Phil
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kowlooner



Joined: 24 Jun 2004
Posts: 229
Location: HK, BCC (former)

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh goody, we all love this question!

Typical answer from the fairytale-land group:

You should definitely ask for $25,000 - $30,000. Anything less than that shows you're not serious and just lowers the salary expectations for everybody else. If you're really desperate, you still should settle for nothing less than $20k. And this is with no experience and no degree. With experience and degree, an easy $30-35k. And etc etc about language mills.

Typical answer from the nitty-gritty reality group:

In your dreams! Realistic $15k-$20k, but low end could be down to $12k, though that could be tough.

Take your pick. And you might want to go have a look through this forum. The topic has been covered ad nauseam.
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sistercream



Joined: 18 Dec 2010
Posts: 487
Location: Pearl River Delta

PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you looking to work in a private language centre/ mill, or in the Education Board's NET scheme? It appears you already have the qualifications and experience needed for the latter, which provides MUCH better pay (and generally conditions) than private centres - but you will really have to get your skates on if you are thinking of applying for the coming academic year. Vocational Training Council (VTC) - I believe - also has a set pay scale.

For the mills, in most places you'd be looking at the HKD18 - 20K bracket, but with you could do better if you landed a gig with one of the bigger and better known outfits like Wall Street. There are also a few places that provide shared accommodation to "top up" a pathetic ~12K to the minimum income the Immigration Department considers acceptable for issuing an employment visa.

Like Kowlooner said, have a trawl through this forum.
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p1randal



Joined: 23 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I looked through about the first 3 pages of threads and some somewhat applied while others didn't. I have been looking at Wall Street, they haven't emailed me back as of writing. I'm ok working for a private outfit I know the drill. I'm not real fussy I just want decent money for a decent life. Sounds like 25-28 is fair but I will see what I am offered.

Thanks
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Joshua2006



Joined: 04 Jan 2010
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

p1randal wrote:
I'm not real fussy I just want decent money for a decent life. Sounds like 25-28 is fair


Subjective....very.

25-28, realistically, isn't going to get you a 'decent' life really, sadly. Life, yes. 'Decent' life? Dubious.
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sistercream



Joined: 18 Dec 2010
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Outside the NET scheme or somewhere like WSI, I think 25 - 28K is on the very optimistic side.

But, as the previous poster mentioned, a "decent" life is totally subjective - living and working in the New Territories, I personally find 20K (gross) a comfortable monthly income - anything over that can go into the "special splurge" or retirement funds.
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Javelin of Radiance



Joined: 01 Jul 2009
Posts: 1187
Location: The West

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kowlooner wrote:
Oh goody, we all love this question!

Typical answer from the fairytale-land group:

You should definitely ask for $25,000 - $30,000. Anything less than that shows you're not serious and just lowers the salary expectations for everybody else. If you're really desperate, you still should settle for nothing less than $20k. And this is with no experience and no degree. With experience and degree, an easy $30-35k. And etc etc about language mills.

Typical answer from the nitty-gritty reality group:

In your dreams! Realistic $15k-$20k, but low end could be down to $12k, though that could be tough.

Take your pick. And you might want to go have a look through this forum. The topic has been covered ad nauseam.

Wow. Same discussion as on the China forum. We have a couple of posters who think because NBA and NFL owners are rich and because they pay their players handsomely, that ESL teachers who work for rich bosses should also be made rich Laughing
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kowlooner



Joined: 24 Jun 2004
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Location: HK, BCC (former)

PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does Wall Street pay $25k and up? I thought it was closer to $18k, but perhaps a WS teacher could actually weigh in.

For the OP, good luck with the $25-28k range. Since this was about what sort of salary you should put down as expected, please do (seriously) let us know how that goes. I'd be interested to see how many letters you send out and how many interview invites you get in response. And, of course, if you land a job within that range.

Honestly, I'd suggest you try a variety of ranges with different employers and see what happens. For some, quote $25, others $22, others $20, others $18k, or something like that. Perhaps you'll find a sweet spot.

Please do report back. And good luck!
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p1randal



Joined: 23 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will report my findings. I just assumed with a decent amount of experience and an M.A Tesol that a good job should be relatively easy to come across. I am not necessarily looking for the perfect job but something where I am not getting duped. I visited HK but I have no idea what the going rate is (something these employers know) and as a result I don't want to say I am work X when it is closer to Y.

Thanks for the help,

Phil
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Perilla



Joined: 09 Jul 2010
Posts: 783
Location: Hong Kong

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

p1randal wrote:
I visited HK but I have no idea what the going rate is (something these employers know) and as a result I don't want to say I am work X when it is closer to Y.


Hi Phil. It would be easier to give advice if you gave us some idea of the sort of employer you want. Are you looking at private langauge academies or international schools? Government programmes or universities? The various employers are worlds apart in terms of pay and application procedure. And there is no such thing as a "going rate" across the board.
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ozman



Joined: 12 Jun 2004
Posts: 133
Location: HONG KONG

PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Treat with caution any outfit that asks YOU about the salary.
Legit places will have a salary scale.

Joshua is right. You can't have a 'decent' life on around 20,000.
The rents have gone up a lot in the last year.
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kowlooner



Joined: 24 Jun 2004
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Location: HK, BCC (former)

PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:17 am    Post subject: Any update? Reply with quote

It's been nearly a month since the original post. I was just wondering if the OP could let us know the results. What salary expectations did you state? What sort of response rates did you get? What seemed to be the salary ranges on offer? And did you find a job?
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looseleaf



Joined: 20 Oct 2013
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like he went to Indonesia instead.
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