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The_Big_White_Elephant



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 5:00 pm    Post subject: What is your life like? Reply with quote

Hello everybody,

Well this is my first time posting on these boards. I have recently returned from a year-long study abroad trip in Chengdu and loved it so much that I want to return after I graduate to teach English. I just wanted to get an idea of what life is like teaching English in China.

Here are some questions I have:

1) How many hours do you work? How many of these are class hours and how many are office hours? What is your work schedule like? Is it nice or does it suck?

2) What kind of place do you work at? University? Elementary school? Do you do private tutoring or teach your own private classes? How big are your classes? Do you have a lot of freedom or do they determine your curriculum? Do you prefer to design your own lessons or have them planned for you? Is your job high pressure or low pressure? Do you enjoy your job? Is it stressful? How long does it take you to prepare for classes?

3) What are the students like? What age group do you prefer to teach? Why? Are the students generally enthusiastic about learning English? What is your relationship with the students like? Is it strictly student/teacher or do you form friendships with your students? What are the students' attitudes toward their foreign teachers?

4) How much do you get paid? How much do you save/spend? How much do you think it would be possible to save in a year? Is it easy to save a lot?

5) What is your living situation? Is your housing payed for? Is it near your workplace? If you pay for your own housing how much do you pay? Do you have a roommate? What size city do you live in (if willing to share, what city do you live in)? What is the weather like? What do you do for fun? Are you happy with your living situation?

6) What are the Chinese is in your area like? Friendly? Rude? Do you have many Chinese friends, or mostly just hang out with foreigners?

7) What do you eat? How expensive is the food? Do you usually cook or eat out? About how much do you spend on food in a month?

8 ) Overall, how do you feel about your life in China? What are the best aspects? Worst aspects? Are you happy? How long have you stayed/do you plan to stay in China? Would you recommend teaching English in China?

9) Anything else you think is worth sharing?

I know it's a lot of questions, and you don't have to answer all of them, but I just want to get an overall idea of what teaching English in China would be like and it would be great if you could all share!

Thanks!
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doogsville



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm having a great time. I work in a uni, make good money, and half plenty of free time. I won't answer your questions directly, because I'm about to go and teach, but I think if you dig around in this and other forums you'll find a lot of the answers already there. Whatever you learn, remember that your experience will be exactly that, yours. Life is what you make of it.

Good luck and have fun.
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Toast



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Similar to doogsville.

As mentioned most of the stuff has been discussed in depth countless times which is the reason probably for the lack of replies.

Regardless....I'd say I'm a solid 8/10 on the happiness-relaxation scale and around a 3/10 on the pay scale. The second one however is my choice. I've turned down a couple of private gigs this week and could very easily sign on for some 16k a month Wall Street English type job at the end of this contract and top the pay up even further with overtime, but no doubt that would pull down my the number in my first rating.

The beauty of the ESL environment in China is your living standards are entirely up to you. Want to live in a fancy futuristic apartment in Pudong, or some bamboo hut in the jungle? - your choice. Want to work 8 hours a week, or 80 hours a week? - your choice. Make 4,000rmb a month, or 40,000rmb a month? - your choice. The key is about finding the balance - that middle ground, because too extreme in any category frankly blows.

I'm happy to stay here as long as the Chinese government visa bureaucrazy allows and my health holds out - perhaps 5~10 more years.
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Markness



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I'm bored and have a few turds (students) picking their noses and staring at me in my office, so, with that in mind.. now is the perfect time to write!

I work at a primary school in Chengdu, I live in the outskirts of the city, so no real Western comforts around here, have to stick to noodle places and meat on a stick joints that usually will give you a case of the swamp ass.

My salary is similar to a university teacher, as I only teach "20" classes a week, aka, one week I teach 18 and the next I teach 14, and the classes are only 40 minutes long. I work Monday to Friday from 8-430 and most of the time I am sitting in the office picking my nose and playing video games and/or studying Chinese.

Sometimes you are lucky and will have some good Chinese co-workers like myself who will want to come by and cook with you together every day, just like me, so what happens is we end up saving money. One person buys, the other cooks, the other cleans, etc.

Also, with the idea of me living in the outskirts of the city in mind, I am the only foreigner in my area, I get stared at quite often, but if you don't mind that, then it can be a good time around here. Loads of people giving me free booze/meals, and students inviting me over to eat at their apartments, so it's good times!

I save quite a bit of money because of my lifestyle, but if I do splurge and take a taxi downtown and go out for a night on the town, I can easily blow through 3-500 RMB which is quite huge for one night on our salary.

My school gives me free breakfasts and lunch, so I save a good chunk of money. I pull out 1000 RMB a month and try not to spend more than that, but if I have a wild night out or go visit friends downtown for a western meal then I go through closer to 1500 a month. So, each month I can save about 4000ish, and if I wasn't so damn lazy I could go downtown and get some extra work and make about 2000 RMB extra a month for about 2 days extra of work a week, but again.. I am too lazy. I rather just tutor students who live closer to me, but I have only been here for a month, so like everyone else says, with time more opportunity comes, and I feel pretty happy here.

I could write more, but I don't know what else to add, except for the fact that you asked about the locals.. well, that's going to vary. If you are in a big city they'll stare at you but be more discreet. In my neck of the woods people stare and I can hear "laowai" quite often, so, if that doesn't bother you then hit up a tier 2 city. (Tier 1 cities are easier for picking up chicks if that's your thing).

Anywho, if you have anymore questions, let me know!

Mark
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The_Big_White_Elephant



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies everyone! I'm sure that most of this information has been discussed before, and I have dug around the forums searching for answers, but with over 200 pages, and no way to navigate to specific pages, it's quite tedious. I also haven't had much look finding the information I'm looking for.

I just thought it might be convenient to have all of this information in one thread so people can get a good "at a glance" idea of what teaching English in China is like, without having to dredge through the 200+ pages of discussion on here.
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smilebella



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:59 am    Post subject: vocational school Reply with quote

1) My schedule is actually crazy light as I work at a vocational school and they only want me to teach the English majors. In the fall I taught 9 hours a week and this semester I'm teaching 4.5 hours a week. My classes are 90 mins long so this semester, I just have 3 classes. At the beginning of the year, my school mentioned that maybe I should be in the office when not working, at a total of 25 hours a week. I mostly did this in the fall, but it got really boring because I only have to plan one lesson per week...so I just stopped showing up as much to the office. My work schedule is quite nice although to be honest I often feel pretty bored.


2) I work at a Chinese vocational school so it's high school level. No private tutoring on the side, my classes are max 48. I have absolute freedom which was a little overwhelming at first, but I've found it's quite easy to plan lessons. I plan my own lessons and don't have to submit them to anyone...I don't have books either, so I just use the internet for ideas and my imagination. At the beginning of the semester I planned out a course plan for each week's topic and some ideas for activities. So it usually takes me less than an hour each week to plan my lesson bc I have a template doc I fill in to keep myself organized. Sometimes it takes longer if I have to find videos or do fancy PPT stuff. It's pretty low pressure, I definitely hold myself to a much higher standard than my school does. I really enjoy it and it's not too stressful unless my students are being antsy or tired in class.


3) The students are great. They are teenagers, mostly girls. Most of them are pretty enthusiastic about learning English or they at least tolerate me. I only teach the English majors though, so that greatly contributes to that. I'm friendly with the students because I'm a young female and they like to QQ me/take pictures together after class. But despite the fact that they're only a few years younger than me, there is definitely a maturity difference and I wouldn't say I'm good friends with any of them. They all seem to love foreign teachers (or at least the idea of them!).


4) I get paid a standard uni salary of 5k a month, with apartment/3 meals a day provided. I live in a tier 2 city but it would be possible to save quite a bit by only eating the school cafeteria food and not traveling, but that would be quite boring. I'm only in China for a year though, so I'm spending money on traveling to cities I want to see...just in case I don't make it back to China for a while. I admit I also spend too much money on drinking and Western food when I hangout with my expat friends.

5) I live on campus in an office they converted to an "apartment". 5 minute walk across campus to my office/classes. My school pays for utilities/everything, no roommate. I live in Wuxi, pretty sure it's a tier 2. Weather is cold in the winter and hot in the summer/fall with a few weeks of moderate temps in the fall/spring. I have lots of expat friends and we typically will go to dinner and also get drinks. I also try to visit a new place in Wuxi every weekend on Saturday- a tourist attraction, a museum, a temple, a park, etc. There's a lot of things to do here so that's pretty great. I love the city and mostly love my living situation (no burner so I can't cook though).

6) I would say they're mostly friendly and very helpful if I ever ask strangers for help. I have some Chinese friends, but I usually hangout with them in a group of foreigners/Chinese. No one at my school really wanted to be my friend because they're all older/have babies but I've still managed to meet some Chinese friends at the bars/etc.

7) I could eat Chinese food all day, every day but most of the time I would be eating alone because a lot of my expat friends prefer to eat Western foods. I don't have a hot plate/burner so I can only cook in the microwave...so I eat out or eat the cafeteria food. Usually I spend 10-20 per dinner meal during the week (getting Chinese/Korean/Japanese takeout) and maybe 30-50 for dinner on the weekends. I eat lunch at my school and don't eat breakfast because it's too early.

8 ) I love my life in China. I have great friends, a great school, great city. Literally the worst aspect is the fact that I can't cook in my apartment. Also that my favorite supermarket next door closed down haha. I'm really happy here so far, I've been here since September. I planned to stay at least one more year (in addition to this first year) but then I received an offer back home in America that I couldn't pass up. I would definitely recommend teaching in China, I've loved it so far.

9) In the two months leading up to coming to China last year, I researched it a lot. I read lots of blogs of expats/teachers living in China, I read about my city, I read about how to teach. I think it's due to being really well-prepared/researched that I've enjoyed living here so much. I haven't really gone through any culture shock and I rarely get annoyed about anything. Maybe that's a personality thing or maybe from just knowing about things in advance. Either way, if you're considering coming to China I would just read a lot about it first.
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Volver



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Elephant,

Once you get over the initial euphoria of being in a foreign country, China sucks. Disgusting environment, the rudest people on the face of the Earth, very little to do.

So why stay in this pit? There are far worse, and very common, situations in the States. At least here I have a "job" and can save money due to the really cheap lifestyle. My income is limited only by how hard I want to work. YOu find ways to cope with both boredom and social isolation and keep telling yourself that this is all just temporary.

Part of the problem is the dump of a city where I live and the uni where I work. Both are changing soon and I will not make the same mistakes again. You are going to screw up in various ways so expect it to happen and find ways to cope. Remember, situations here are temporary and can be changed.

My .02 and your mileage may vary.

V
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fat_chris



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Volver wrote:
Remember, situations here are temporary and can be changed.


This.

Warm regards,
fat_chris
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fat_chris



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finishing up two years in Chengdu now. Life is pretty good for the_fat_one.

Looking to stay at least one more year on the Mainland, perhaps in Chengdu, perhaps elsewhere. Anticipating that next year will be even better than these past two.

Warm regards,
fat_chris
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mitsui



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really?
if Chengdu is better than being in Japan, why?
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fat_chris



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mitsui wrote:
Really?
if Chengdu is better than being in Japan, why?


Hey mitsui,

--easy to pick up extra money on the side for a variety of part-time work
--am blessed with university students who are highly motivated to learn and use English
--work with representatives from a few of the universities in the Chengdu area keeping my professional and social ties interesting
--ample opportunities for me to pursue teacher training and am respected for it
--have two nice offices that I only share with one other person
--people here are receptive to me speaking Chinese with them
--lower cost of living but can still maximize income
--have healthy professional collaboration with Chinese teachers; these particular teachers make me feel included and are interested in improving as teachers
--opportunity to teach graduate students Academic Writing
--my administrators listen to me and support me, none of this sucking in air and saying それはむずかしい。。。

Japan was nice and all but I didn't feel the above so much in my neck of the woods in Shizuoka. I am very comfortable in Chengdu right now (knock on wood).

I just feel like I am in a really good spot at the moment with room for growth Arrow I don't feel I have approached the glass ceiling…yet. There are more exciting opportunities for me to tap into here that I didn't really feel in Shizuoka after a certain amount of time.

Warm regards,
fat_chris
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The_Big_White_Elephant



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for sharing everyone! It seems that most people have been enjoying their time in China, which is encouraging.

Looks like a lot of people are living in Chengdu, which I find interesting, since it doesn't seem to be one of the most popular expat destinations.

Quote:
Once you get over the initial euphoria of being in a foreign country, China sucks. Disgusting environment, the rudest people on the face of the Earth, very little to do.
That may be true for some people, but I lived in China for a full year and loved every minute of it. How can you say the people are rude?

Quote:
easy to pick up extra money on the side for a variety of part-time work
Think you could describe in more detail what kind of part-time work is available in Chengdu? I'm thinking about going there, so I'm curious.

Also, does anybody else want to share?
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Kysorb



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:04 pm    Post subject: Re: What is your life like? Reply with quote

[quote="The_Big_White_Elephant"]Hello everybody,

Well this is my first time posting on these boards. I have recently returned from a year-long study abroad trip in Chengdu and loved it so much that I want to return after I graduate to teach English. I just wanted to get an idea of what life is like teaching English in China.

Here are some questions I have:

1) 50+ over 40 office hours.

2) Training School

3) I don't have classes anymore. I just watch classes and keep tabs on teachers. Before - 3-12 year olds

4) "A lot" much more than the typical teacher but not enough to really make me feel its worth it compared to that teacher with no experience or responsibility.

5) New 2 Bedroom apartment on the edge of Beijing, 3500 a month with my wife.

6) I don't really hang out with Chinese people other than my wife and occasionally a co-worker or 2. Chinese women are all very friendly and kind to me. I generally find it difficult to get a long with a lot of Chinese men. That's not to say some aren't friendly and nice to me, but i find most to be undesirable to spend time with outside work. Inside work, I feel like talking to most of them is like talking to the police and only wanting to give them yes/no answers because they always have an angle they are working. It's exhausting

7) I eat out pretty much every meal... recently my wife and i started making 10% of our food at home in an effort to "get healthy"

8 ) Overall, sure i like it here.. my advice to anyone is keep your head down and don't do more than is asked for you.. if you do you will get more to do.. Don't make the same mistakes i did. I have been here 3 and a half years.. I don't think there will be a 4th.
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Markness



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:49 am    Post subject: Re: What is your life like? Reply with quote

[quote="Kysorb"]
The_Big_White_Elephant wrote:
Hello everybody,

Well this is my first time posting on these boards. I have recently returned from a year-long study abroad trip in Chengdu and loved it so much that I want to return after I graduate to teach English. I just wanted to get an idea of what life is like teaching English in China.

Here are some questions I have:

1) 50+ over 40 office hours.

2) Training School

3) I don't have classes anymore. I just watch classes and keep tabs on teachers. Before - 3-12 year olds

4) "A lot" much more than the typical teacher but not enough to really make me feel its worth it compared to that teacher with no experience or responsibility.

5) New 2 Bedroom apartment on the edge of Beijing, 3500 a month with my wife.

6) I don't really hang out with Chinese people other than my wife and occasionally a co-worker or 2. Chinese women are all very friendly and kind to me. I generally find it difficult to get a long with a lot of Chinese men. That's not to say some aren't friendly and nice to me, but i find most to be undesirable to spend time with outside work. Inside work, I feel like talking to most of them is like talking to the police and only wanting to give them yes/no answers because they always have an angle they are working. It's exhausting

7) I eat out pretty much every meal... recently my wife and i started making 10% of our food at home in an effort to "get healthy"

8 ) Overall, sure i like it here.. my advice to anyone is keep your head down and don't do more than is asked for you.. if you do you will get more to do.. Don't make the same mistakes i did. I have been here 3 and a half years.. I don't think there will be a 4th.


I guess your mileage will vary as someone else pointed out. I think it may have been the_fat_one.

The Chinese gals are very friendly <coughs> and the dudes can be pretty dang cool as long as you are down with heavy drinking and smoking. A lot of interesting characters here, some nice people but it seems like they can be envious at times or once they get over you and you really understand how they are you realize they can be self-centered people trapped in their own bubble.

As I stated before I save a decent amount of dough but I could make more just like the fat man, but, I live on the outskirts of the city where booger-flicking/farting is the norm and these sorts of farmer-like characters don't really care too much about the whole oral English, more about just passing their English exams which a Chinese teacher can do at a fraction of the price.


I'm thinking of actually going back to the satellite city nearby and trying to setup shop there with an another dude. I had a great experience there and the lack of foreigners there makes me think that it's a goldmine, especially considering the modernity of the city.

If all else fails there, at least I can say I tried Smile

Cheers y'all

Mark
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Markness



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, adding to this, I think the most important thing here is to be flexible and realize that EVERYTHING is last-second around here... Laughing

There are times where people don't communicate to me that I have a class and/or that they swapped with me without consent... this just happened again for the millionth time.

"Welcome to China" they say...
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