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China Agent & Recruiter Are Scams - Or Just Plain Greedy
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What is the most you'd pay to a job recruiter or agent in China?
10%
55%
 55%  [ 5 ]
15%
33%
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20%
0%
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25%
0%
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30%
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35%
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Banner41



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johntpartee wrote:
We don't know. But if the hiree agrees to the wages offered, who cares?


Boom.....this!
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MI2B4U



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud Powell wrote:
I really am concerned about teachers paying recruiters any kind of fee.
A recruiter with the creds needed to have a genuine relationship with a school will be paid a fee (one off) by the school


The ones that I see who charge a fee are the ones who run a "program".

Agree with the second statement too.


All fees should be paid by the school but honestly, how hard can it be to gind your own job in China. Every time I walk down the street in Beijing, some foreigner approaches me and asks me if I am looking to teach in their school. Are they being paid a finder's fee or something? Anyone, people certainly have a right to use an agent but I never would. They simply are not needed unless you are super lazy.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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RWA1981



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Banner41 wrote:
johntpartee wrote:
We don't know. But if the hiree agrees to the wages offered, who cares?


Boom.....this!


Yes I agree with you BUT what if the hiree is deliberately misled to believe the average salary in China is only 6,000 yuan and it is okay to come work on an L visa and "convert it once you get here" It only took me two pay days to learn I was sandbagged. My teaching colleagues told me the truth that my recruiter hid from me. Am I really obligated to honor my crap contract? My recruiter did not even give me his real name so I cannot imagine that he has a business license. If he has no business license how am I bound by his contract? I cannot even read the scribble of his signature on the contract and the seal is from a tire export company according to my Chinese friend.
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NoBillyNO



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

take it to court and then you have voiced your concern about the legitimacy of said contract and the legal status of your agent....once you sign your bound unless a court determines that the contract is bogus in some way....or just leave... if you wont stand for it.. then don't.. and stop worrying if you can convince a board of your justification....
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Banner41



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NoBillyNO wrote:
take it to court and then you have voiced your concern about the legitimacy of said contract and the legal status of your agent....once you sign your bound unless a court determines that the contract is bogus in some way....or just leave... if you wont stand for it.. then don't.. and stop worrying if you can convince a board of your justification....


Going to be a rough day in court if they are working here illegally as stated in other threads....sorry man!
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NoBillyNO



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Believe it or not the courts that deal with contracts are not criminal courts so it is possible to sue on a contractual basis.
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Banner41



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would LOVE to see how that turns out!
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NoBillyNO



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been to several contract disputs and never has visas been called into evidence... but this is Beijing and perhaps courts here are more advanced..
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wangdaning



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Civil courts are usually fair here, despite what people claim. The ones who say otherwise have either, never been to court or had a bad experience.

Most will wail on about how unfair the court system is, but never attempt to take a matter to court. They are parrots, plain and simple. If enough people say it, it must be true.

The latter took the effort, but probably were being vindictive in a case. They actually deserved nothing, but their perception was X was theirs.

I agree there must be some exceptions.

I have not met a non-Chinese who went to court here, but I have seen quite a few cases of Chinese-Chinese cases. Usually, swift, clear, and to the point.

Forgot to add, there is no choice for zero in the poll.
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RWA1981



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NoBillyNO wrote:
take it to court and then you have voiced your concern about the legitimacy of said contract and the legal status of your agent....once you sign your bound unless a court determines that the contract is bogus in some way....or just leave... if you wont stand for it.. then don't.. and stop worrying if you can convince a board of your justification....


You must be dreaming Billy. Going to court in China is just throwing good money after bad. You did not hear about the three teachers who tried to take EF to court in 2012? Their case was just delayed and delayed until their visas expired and mysteriously not renewed? If I recall they had paid a lawyer over $20,000 over the 11-12 months that it was deliberately dragged out. Ask any Chinese lawyer you know about foreigners ever winning in a Chinese court. The sky will be filled with flying pigs the day a foreign teachers wins a case against a Chinese school in China.
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NoBillyNO



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ask any Chinese lawyer you know about foreigners ever winning in a Chinese court.


I can only ask my own....
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choudoufu



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RWA1981 wrote:
The sky will be filled with flying pigs....



well, the rivers are filled with swimming piglets.....does that count?
(china IS a develeping country after all)
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Bud Powell



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MI2B4U wrote:


All fees should be paid by the school but honestly, how hard can it be to gind your own job in China. Every time I walk down the street in Beijing, some foreigner approaches me and asks me if I am looking to teach in their school. Are they being paid a finder's fee or something? Anyone, people certainly have a right to use an agent but I never would. They simply are not needed unless you are super lazy.


Uh, well, when one is 8-10,000 miles from China or perhaps in China but 500 miles from the target new school, it's not so easy to go for a visit. One isn't super-lazy because he uses a recruiter. I think that one who has NEVER used a recruiter should refrain from even commenting about recruiters, especially if he has never had a need for one.

In the large cities it's a small matter of walking across the street or taking a bus across town once contact has been made with the administration.

Granted, once one is in China,one is a more mobile and can seek work elsewhere; but sometimes, in smaller cities, it is difficult to gain new employment within the same city because FAO's don't engage in head hunting at other schools as a matter of courtesy. Private schools and language centers may hold the same attitude. In a city such as Dainan, there's not much to choose from, so if one seeks a job in the Big City, he is faced with several obstacles which a recruiter can overcome.

Are you a westerner or someone who has never been outside of his Chinese hometown? You seem not to be aware of the complexities of living in one city and seeking work in another that may be a few or even several hundred miles away.

I suggest that you take a peek outside of the sandbox and see a little reality.
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RWA1981



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bud Powell wrote:
I really am concerned about teachers paying recruiters any kind of fee.
A recruiter with the creds needed to have a genuine relationship with a school will be paid a fee (one off) by the school


The ones that I see who charge a fee are the ones who run a "program".

Agree with the second statement too.


Bud is absolutely right. Teachers should not pay any fees to get a job nor should they use an agent or a recruiter. You Can get a list of schools and their contact info and send them your resume directly.

The big problem is that many recruiters pretend to be HR people from the various schools, or say they are "placement specialists" with some government agency and you do not find out the truth until after you already sign a contract and arrive in China. To avoid this deception, I suggest you look at the email address or name of the people who contact you, write it down and then see if it is blacklisted at http://worldwolfwatch.wordpress.com
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