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Master Shake



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:21 pm    Post subject: Any News? Reply with quote

ecocks, it's been almost 2 months since your last post. Any new developments?
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ecocks



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Shake.

There's no new report because there is no change from the previous post.

Immigration won't grant me a residence permit to work for myself but, as said before, says I can just do the border runs indefinitely to work in my own business. As usual, they don't seem hostile, just...conditions not met for residence. The work permit guy was the only one I dealt with who remotely struck me as uncooperative. The others just say keep trying.

My frustrations at being illegal in the rest of the Schengen zone are considerable though. While I love the lower cost of living, my apartment, my students and the atmosphere in Poland, a large part of being in Europe was so that I could enjoy travel to some new places. Now the only place I can legally travel is the UK and some of the Balkan countries. Travel to those would have to be without stopovers or pass-throughs of the other countries in between. While Scotland and maybe a return to Ireland is of some interest the lack of freedom in travel is an irritation.

Travel elsewhere remains a pain since I am severely limited by being unable to process in or out through Schengen ports (air or sea). This eliminates Frankfurt, Munich, Paris, Amsterdam, Madrid, Copenhagen and Rome as connection points whether inbound or outbound. The only viable options are the UK, Istanbul and Kyiv since they do not require visas.

I'm hopping back to the US for 2 days in December and have to fly through Heathrow with a 16+ hour layover - joy. Heathrow lost its allure when the police tossed me about a few visits back.

So, I have my income, my apartment and friends (American and Polish) but have to admit that part of me thinks that I need to find somewhere that I can be legal.
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wojbrian



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, your flying back for 2 days?
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ecocks



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wojbrian wrote:
Wow, your flying back for 2 days?


Yeah, family business I have to take care of face to face.

I'll wheel by Barnes and Noble (BOOKS!), Walmart (socks, 2 pairs of pants, Thera-Flu and some odds and ends) and Best Buy (picking up a computer for a friend).

If anyone ever really uncovers a place that can ship personal stuff in and out of here at a reasonable cost, let me know!
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sparks



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still don't know why you don't just pick up some minimal in-company courses from some school that doesn't bug you with much, on some general contract just to show you have work. Tell the authorities some crap about how your hours change and blah, blah there is no minimum salary each month. You are then free to do whatever else you want. I don't need to have the dzialnosc anymore but know many people who do just this and are renewed every year.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where are you coming to?
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ecocks



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

London - DC - Atlanta - DC - London
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Master Shake



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sparks wrote:
I still don't know why you don't just pick up some minimal in-company courses from some school that doesn't bug you with much, on some general contract just to show you have work. Tell the authorities some crap about how your hours change and blah, blah there is no minimum salary each month. You are then free to do whatever else you want. I don't need to have the dzialnosc anymore but know many people who do just this and are renewed every year.
Totally. The work permit is the golden key to unlocking your travel restrictions. You might even offer to cover the costs of the work permit app. for the school. I think it's only around 50z anyway.

I understand your desire to remain independent, but this is Poland: If things are too simple, there's got to be a way to complicate them by placing a restriction and then opening a loophole. Rolling Eyes

When you come back from the US your Schengen clock will be reset in Poland. Won't your reentry also reset the 90-day clock for the other Schengen countries as well? I don't think the '180 days out' rule is enforced in most countries.
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ecocks



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Master Shake wrote:
sparks wrote:
I still don't know why you don't just pick up some minimal in-company courses from some school that doesn't bug you with much, on some general contract just to show you have work. Tell the authorities some crap about how your hours change and blah, blah there is no minimum salary each month. You are then free to do whatever else you want. I don't need to have the dzialnosc anymore but know many people who do just this and are renewed every year.
Totally. The work permit is the golden key to unlocking your travel restrictions. You might even offer to cover the costs of the work permit app. for the school. I think it's only around 50z anyway.

I understand your desire to remain independent, but this is Poland: If things are too simple, there's got to be a way to complicate them by placing a restriction and then opening a loophole. Rolling Eyes

When you come back from the US your Schengen clock will be reset in Poland. Won't your reentry also reset the 90-day clock for the other Schengen countries as well? I don't think the '180 days out' rule is enforced in most countries.


Return resets my Polish clock to 0 but not my Schengen counter within the 180. Every well-meaning acquaintance that has sent me links to "How to stay in the Schengen Zone for more than 90 days" somehow misses the notations and disclaimers that it is dependent on the oversights of clerks or authorities and I keep finding stories of folks who end up escorted out with no chance to recover their possessions short of shipping.

I'm going to continue working on the situation but it looks like my application will finally be denied and I can get into start over again mode. At least now I have a year of tax payments and growing numbers of students.

We'll see what happens.
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ecocks



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I confess, the residence permit aspect of this issue is still eating at me.

Last week I was talking with another American and put it this way:

"I like living in Europe, love being in Gdansk and am extremely comfortable in my apartment. The money is fine, the food reasonable and the people friendly enough. I'm just questioning if living here without a residence permit makes any sense if I cannot travel."

Out of that question I have another which I'm also posting on it's own thread since some people don't look at the stickies.....

Has ANYONE here gotten a RESIDENCE PERMIT based upon an invitation from a citizen to be a PERMANENT GUEST?

Girlfriend (not wife)? Friend?

In other countries it is possible to have a citizen (usually of the opposite sex) invite a foreign person to reside with them. It required being registered at the address the citizen lived at and involved a little bit of legal paperwork with Immigration.
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ecocks



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm done.

Gave notice on the apartment and will reposition in April, probably back to the States.

Business was great, food was fine, several good friends but the inability to travel and have legitimate status overshadowed everything.

It was real and I thoroughly enjoyed Poland as a fantastic place to live and work.
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sparks



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come to Warsaw, I can most certainly get you a job and work permit!
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ecocks



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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, I'm a week and two days from leaving.

One of my students gifted me with a new bicycle and chain lock.

I said, "But I am only here one more week."

"I want you to come back."
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