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SCAM WARNING: ESL ASIA/Jobs Japan/Japan Placements
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Jellyfish666



Joined: 03 Apr 2013
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Location: South China

PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the warning Dave! I'm in China but I'm thinking of heading to South East Asia soon... So it's good to know!
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sankoyan



Joined: 25 Oct 2010
Posts: 5

PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:33 am    Post subject: Hi Dave Reply with quote

Have you heard of QEHC in Saudi Arabia, how is this recruitment company?
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RWA1981



Joined: 27 Mar 2014
Posts: 143

PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:52 am    Post subject: Be On Guard Against CUCAS & Beijing ChiWest China Scam Reply with quote

CUCAS is a super sophisticated fraud that is owned by a former Chinese govt. official who uses a fake edu.cn domain to convince people he is part of the Ministry of Education of China. NOT! They target expat teachers in China for Chinese immersion programs and everyone abroad (mostly high school students) with "Free Scholarships" to study in China. Here are all the details http://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com They trap people with guaranteed enrollments of $2,000 - $5,000 allegedly in top universities, but after you pay, they stick you in a no-name school and tell you that you did not qualify because you do not speak Chinese!!!!! Total scam - watch out folks!
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mw182006



Joined: 10 Dec 2012
Posts: 289

PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^ Speaking of frauds...ignore all posts by RWA1981
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RWA1981



Joined: 27 Mar 2014
Posts: 143

PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:55 am    Post subject: Beijing ChiWest is also part of CUCAS Chinese Language Scam Reply with quote

These links are self explanatory. You don't have to take my word for it...

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20140320183521AA9YHIk

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=588378

http://www.realscam.com/f8/cucas-super-scam-may-switching-names-china-beijing-chiwest-3132/

http://www.scamwarners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&p=197836
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choudoufu



Joined: 25 May 2010
Posts: 3325
Location: Mao-berry, PRC

PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:15 am    Post subject: Re: Beijing ChiWest is also part of CUCAS Chinese Language S Reply with quote

RWA1981 wrote:
a bunch of recycled links


ha! the spam calling the spam spam!
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Iosif



Joined: 19 May 2014
Posts: 7

PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could anyone verify if these people are legit or not?


http://en.enkeedu.com/


http://newlifeesl.com/

I have heard/read so many scam stories and people getting scammed that frankly I am starting to thing the web is crawling with Nigerian princes that all want to share that 20 mil $ fortune they have,they just need your credit card numbers.

I was mainly looking at teaching jobs in China,even talked to some people,but I can't know for sure if I am to trust them or not.

Are they for real? It's hard to trust testimonies on a blog,these days anyone can just make a web page,record a few videos with friends,fake testimonies and so on. I mean no disrespect to anyone,but there are as many "scam alert,these people will rob you of your money" pages or testimonies as there are "come visit China and teach English,we want you here,you will like the pay,the people and the food" pages and testimonies.

I can't really know who to trust,and I am sure as hell not willing to sign a contract only to regret it for months or perhaps years and thinking in the meantime the pleasant things I will do to that person who scammed me if I ever see him or her.
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suphanburi



Joined: 20 Mar 2014
Posts: 312

PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are more recruiters out there than you can imagine.

The bottom line when it comes to a job in Asia:
If they ask for money, bank information or credit card information then walk away.
If they try to sell you "their" TEFL course before they can help you then walk away.

Recruiters in EFL do NOT charge the applicant anything.

They do however need (copies/scans) of your passport, degree, transcripts and a police check along with your resume.

Yes, often for better jobs in Asia/China/Korea they often include housing, airfare, etc.

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naturegirl321



Joined: 04 May 2003
Posts: 9016
Location: home sweet home

PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have any recruiters you'd recommend?
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Mjrose514



Joined: 07 Nov 2014
Posts: 9
Location: SC USA

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone had any experience with "Zhejiang Haida Interact International, Ltd" their email website it haida-hr.com and they direct you to teach-in-china.net. I know the website has been known to have some fraudulent recruiters (they allow outside recruiters), but so does teach away and footprints. I'm unsure about the company itself. I've done tons of googling to no avail.
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suphanburi



Joined: 20 Mar 2014
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a few "rules of thumb":

Don't send money. Don't pay anyone for a job.
Don't send money. Don't pay anyone for a job.
Don't send money. Don't pay anyone for a job.
Have enough money to leave if necessary.

In all seriousness... beyond that... use common sense.

It ain't like home over here. The rulebook IS different - common sense (as uncommon as that is) should be your guide. ALWAYS have an exit plan.

To quote an old sage -
tttompatz wrote:

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER pay for a job.

Recruiters are paid for by the school. Understand the roll of the recruiter or agency.

They are head hunters paid for by the school to find a suitable candidate to fill a position.

They are all good.
They are all the best.
They are all bad.
They are all the worst.


The good one is the one who gets you a "DECENT" job.

They are all good and they are all bad. They all have some proponents and they all have some complaints.

Search yourself and you have access to perhaps 20-50 potential employers who may be able to actually READ your resume and perhaps can get you through the visa process (not always easy for 1st time applicants).

Use 20 recruiters and that number jumps up into the many hundreds or potentially over 1000 jobs, even if the employer himself doesn't speak English (lots of academy jobs, MOST private placement PS jobs and virtually ALL private K-12 jobs fall into this category).

The problem lies in the fact that most people do NOT understand the role of the recruiter.

They are an introduction to a potential employer that you yourself would not otherwise be able to find. Then, if they are any good at their job, they guide you through the placement and assist with the paperwork necessary to get you as far as the employer.

They are NOT your friend.
They do NOT work for you (they are paid for and work for the employer).

They are like a used car salesman.
You walk onto their car-lot (website), peruse the cars (available jobs), if you see one you like you inquire about it.

After you listen to the sales pitch you let YOUR mechanic have a look at it (due diligence checking out the school).

If it is all good then you make the offer (accept the contract) and complete the sale (begin the paperwork for your visa application).

A good salesman will ensure that the paperwork is in order to make the sale and allow you to register the car. (A good recruiter will make sure your paperwork is in order and help get you through the paperwork to get your visa.)

I have no problem with using a recruiter or telling anyone else to use one (or more the case, many). They are often your best option for finding the BEST fit when it comes to a job in abroad.

For someone who is abroad, had no connections and no ability to communicate in the local language then recruiters are a necessary evil.

That doesn't mean it is a crap shoot.

Beyond that it is YOUR responsibility to check the school out.

Do NOT trust ANY recruiter. They are like used car salesmen. They will lie and sell their soul to get the signature on the contract.

Do your own DUE DILIGENCE in regards to the school or get burned.

Use the recruiters for what they are. Use more than one and keep going until you get what you want. There is no rush and there is certainly no shortage of jobs.

When it comes to the school - again - repeat - Do your own DUE DILIGENCE.

1st - READ the contract over very carefully. If that doesn't scare you away then...

The best you can do is minimize the risk by talking to MORE THAN ONE of the foreign staff and ask POINTED AND SPECIFIC QUESTIONS (*when the boss is NOT listening over their shoulder). Don't accept non-specific answers and broad generalizations.

No foreign staff references to talk (directly and via e-mail) to = walk away now.

Accept NO EXCUSES for any reason.

7777

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