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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should probably come, then. And bring your dog and cat with you. I'm sure that Rdobbs98 will be more than helpful if and when a hiccup occurs...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fadedgirl wrote:
nomad soul wrote:
rdobbs98 wrote:
Don't listen to those who say you need a related degree in the UAE, only in the Emirate of Abu Dhabi do you need an education degree and prior license. Everywhere else you don't.

I believe you meant to post this on another forum thread.

Rdobbs98 posted in exactly the right forum. All of you are telling me that I should go to KSA because I'm not qualified enough. Rdobbs98 is telling me to hang tight.

How did you miss that?

Not only that, I was asking about bringing my pets to the UAE NOT to KSA. There's already a thread in the Saudi Arabia Forum about bringing a dog there, btw.

Rdobbs98's post doesn't make sense because no one here ever stated that an English major was not related or that you needed a BA in Education. (In fact, I even pointed out that your degree was relevant.) So no, I didn't miss anything unless you failed to mention you also hold a state/government license to teach k-12 levels. If that's the case, then you're qualified to teach in private international schools in the UAE, especially if you also have US public school teaching experience. There likely are private int'l schools in the UAE that hire ESOL teachers who don't hold licensure, but the pay and benefits will be mediocre. Unfortunately, Rdobbs98 didn't post names of specific schools nor did he address your main question about getting hired for Feb 2015 or your pet concerns.

Given the basic info you provided, my responses have focused on university foundation year programs. In the UAE, preference for those university spots goes to teachers with related MAs plus tertiary-level experience. You might look at IAT to see if you meet their requirements. However, you'd easily qualify for similar university programs in Saudi Arabia with your related BA.

Regardless of what and where you're qualified to teach, you'll likely have to be flexible with your employment start date, which may not fit your February 2015 target. In other words, schools and universities recruit for the upcoming academic calendar year, so it's iffy whether there will be openings around the time that you want to start. The exception are Saudi contracting companies, which recruit year round for university foundation year positions, so they're your best possibility. However, these companies tend to be sketchy.

Your other big concern is about having your pets with you. Yes, this topic has been recently discussed on the Saudi forum and in this thread as well. Like Saudi Arabia, few landlords in the UAE are open to renters keeping pets on the premises, so you'll be faced with the same pet issue if you decide to pursue a position in the Emirates.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rdobbs98 wrote:
Plus schools are always hiring because there are about 56,000 teachers short in the UAE, per the National newspaper.

You're probably referring to this March 2014 article,
"UAE needs 75,000 teachers by 2015" (http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/education/uae-needs-75-000-teachers-by-2015-1.1299231). Out of those thousands of teachers needed, there's no distinction made for the number of expat teachers who teach ESOL and/or subject areas in English. Therefore, stating 56,000 are needed is misleading because it lumps all subjects and educators---expats and nationals---together.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not up to me to post each school a person can apply for, just do as I stated and Google schools in Sharjah and Ajman. Just because you don't have a teaching degree or license doesn't mean you will be paid mediocre, quite the contrary. I was making 16,000 AED per month and didn't have an active license nor a teaching degree but have plenty of other qualifications and two masters. Your pay is more about where your from than the qualifications as long as you have a bachelors degree.
Phillipinos are at the bottom of the pay scale, around 1,500 AED; Pakistani and Indian around 3,500 AED; other Arab 7,000 AED, American/British/Australian 10,000 AED and up. If you are British or American but born in a foreign country, your pay is figured on where you were born. I.E. if you have a US Passport but born in Morocco, you will be paid as other Arab. This is the reality on the ground.

If you are Egyptian watch out because the UAE requires a "special security screening" for the Labour Card and Residency; most Egyptians end up failed because of what is going on in the country. Once they fail, they are either given 48 hours to leave or some have been given two weeks but are permanently banned from entering the UAE again. We had many Egyptian teachers in our school fail the screening, even though they had no criminal history. Most of the Egyptians opted to leave at the end of the year and go home or somewhere else.

To be employed as a teacher in Sharjah you are required to go before the Sharjah Education Council for a practical class demonstration. Basically no school in Sharjah does this except for a handful of teachers in each school. Yes schools place teachers in other classifications because of the regulations and time it takes to be evaluated by the local Education Councils. They use "Administrative Officer, Customs Clerk, Educational Specialist, etc." to classify teachers. It's the game that is played.

Ajman is much easier and not much as far as regulations. Abu Dhabi is the most stringent.

Like I said there are plenty of openings and schools are in need for teachers. Plus there are new schools opening all the time and in need of teachers.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are links to search by:

http://www.indeed.ae/jobs?q=teacher&sort=date

http://uae.dubizzle.com/jobs/education/?keywords=&is_basic_search_widget=0&is_search=1&job_title=&added__gte=&salary=&skill_level=&required_work_experience__gte=&required_education_level__gte=&required_commitment=

Attestation Service for UAE, quick and affordable. I use them.
http://rocadc.com/services/

Dubizzle is basically what you would use to find an apartment, if not provided; furniture, because so many expats are selling barely used furniture cheap; and whatever else you need.

Souq.com is like Ebay here. Cobone is like Groupon here but Groupon also has good deals.

When getting an apartment, ensure the real estate agent is properly licensed in the Emirate. If they are suspended, you cannot get your rental agreement stamped by the city and will be out the deposit unless you go to court. A friend of mine went through this. Also check around with people who stay at the apartments on how the landlord is. Some are notorious thieves, very shady, or do not maintain the property when you need something fixed.

Visas: Wow where to begin. For the most part schools will have you work on a tourist visa. Yes this occurs on a regular basis. So you need to stay on them about processing the required residence visa and labour card. Now the labour card is electronically produced so employers can no longer hold them hostage, you are able to go to the MOL website and print an electronic labour card.

Passport: It's yours, not theirs. The schools are allowed to possess the passport for processing but you need to demand its return when they are done with it. Don't take no for an answer. If they refuse, be polite and remind them you need it for everything in the UAE. If they refuse just tell them the Embassy informed you to go to the police if it is not returned. You will get it back promptly. In 2002 the UAE Ministry of Interior issued a decree that passports are not to be held and recent court cases are beginning to punish those who refuse to comply.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rdobbs98 wrote:
To be employed as a teacher in Sharjah you are required to go before the Sharjah Education Council for a practical class demonstration. Basically no school in Sharjah does this except for a handful of teachers in each school. Yes schools place teachers in other classifications because of the regulations and time it takes to be evaluated by the local Education Councils. They use "Administrative Officer, Customs Clerk, Educational Specialist, etc." to classify teachers. It's the game that is played.

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http://uae.dubizzle.com/jobs/education/?keywords=&is_basic_search_widget=0&is_search=1&job_title=&added__gte=&salary=&skill_level=&required_work_experience__gte=&required_education_level__gte=&required_commitment=

Dubizzle is basically what you would use to find an apartment, if not provided; furniture, because so many expats are selling barely used furniture cheap; and whatever else you need.

When getting an apartment, ensure the real estate agent is properly licensed in the Emirate. If they are suspended, you cannot get your rental agreement stamped by the city and will be out the deposit unless you go to court. A friend of mine went through this. Also check around with people who stay at the apartments on how the landlord is. Some are notorious thieves, very shady, or do not maintain the property when you need something fixed.

Visas: Wow where to begin. For the most part schools will have you work on a tourist visa. Yes this occurs on a regular basis. So you need to stay on them about processing the required residence visa and labour card.

There's a lot wrong with this picture. For starters, Dubizzle is a local classifieds service; therefore, job ads on its site target local residents (Emiratis and sponsored expats representing countries from all over the world) and not job seekers from abroad. Local hire employment generally equates to measly teachers' pay (7000-9000 AED/$1900-2450 USD per month) and few, if any, benefits. Plus, many teaching positions are likely to be part time. Based on your posts, you're advising the OP to head to the UAE to look for a job while on a tourist visa. While she's at it, she's supposed to scout out potential apartments to rent since local hires typically don't get housing benefits.

You still didn't address her pet question, so it seems you don't feel she'll have any problems finding a landlord who welcomes dogs and cats. Moreover, you didn't mention how much all of this will cost her, which includes air fare to the UAE, hotels, food, ground transportation, kennel boarding for her animals, visa transfer costs (if she's even able to qualify for and secure some sort of tolerable teaching job), a deposit and advance rent on an apartment, purchase of furniture and appliances, etc.

So, just how much money does she need to have up front? Additionally, do you really believe this is a sound way to get a legit teaching job in the UAE?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi!

Check out Nibras international school. They are hiring now. There offer was 9000 aed to all expats with everything as in plane tickets, accommodation, etc. There principle is strict but fair. I think you'll like it. Oh they have one stinky policy. If you are absent one day they deduct 500 aed.

Goodluck, I hope you ll find what you are looking for.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:19 pm    Post subject: bringing pets to UAE Reply with quote

Hello Fadedgirl, et al.,
As posted in other threads, it is very expensive and time-consuming to bring a pet to the UAE or the ME in general. See the website posted before at www.actionpetexpress.com for all the info. Another caveat is that it is not always easy to find litter, preferred cat food, or other items you may want at the time you need them. Inventory control is lacking, not just for pet food but for many other coveted items. Just when you think you found what you need one week...... You'll most often only find the McD's variety of food for your pets, if anything. One must also consider the heat and locals' sentiments towards animals. My cats were indoor critters, which was easier to manage but those who had pets to walk outside, think of those poor pads baking on the sand or concrete. As mentioned elsewhere, I left my beloved pets at home with relatives. However, I did bring two fostered kitties back with me and they bolt when they see the door open. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions about pet transport. Jerry Mischler at actionpetexpress in the U.S. is very knowledable.
The Cat lady
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
rdobbs98 wrote:
To be employed as a teacher in Sharjah you are required to go before the Sharjah Education Council for a practical class demonstration. Basically no school in Sharjah does this except for a handful of teachers in each school. Yes schools place teachers in other classifications because of the regulations and time it takes to be evaluated by the local Education Councils. They use "Administrative Officer, Customs Clerk, Educational Specialist, etc." to classify teachers. It's the game that is played.

....

http://uae.dubizzle.com/jobs/education/?keywords=&is_basic_search_widget=0&is_search=1&job_title=&added__gte=&salary=&skill_level=&required_work_experience__gte=&required_education_level__gte=&required_commitment=

Dubizzle is basically what you would use to find an apartment, if not provided; furniture, because so many expats are selling barely used furniture cheap; and whatever else you need.

When getting an apartment, ensure the real estate agent is properly licensed in the Emirate. If they are suspended, you cannot get your rental agreement stamped by the city and will be out the deposit unless you go to court. A friend of mine went through this. Also check around with people who stay at the apartments on how the landlord is. Some are notorious thieves, very shady, or do not maintain the property when you need something fixed.

Visas: Wow where to begin. For the most part schools will have you work on a tourist visa. Yes this occurs on a regular basis. So you need to stay on them about processing the required residence visa and labour card.

There's a lot wrong with this picture. For starters, Dubizzle is a local classifieds service; therefore, job ads on its site target local residents (Emiratis and sponsored expats representing countries from all over the world) and not job seekers from abroad. Local hire employment generally equates to measly teachers' pay (7000-9000 AED/$1900-2450 USD per month) and few, if any, benefits. Plus, many teaching positions are likely to be part time. Based on your posts, you're advising the OP to head to the UAE to look for a job while on a tourist visa. While she's at it, she's supposed to scout out potential apartments to rent since local hires typically don't get housing benefits.

You still didn't address her pet question, so it seems you don't feel she'll have any problems finding a landlord who welcomes dogs and cats. Moreover, you didn't mention how much all of this will cost her, which includes air fare to the UAE, hotels, food, ground transportation, kennel boarding for her animals, visa transfer costs (if she's even able to qualify for and secure some sort of tolerable teaching job), a deposit and advance rent on an apartment, purchase of furniture and appliances, etc.

So, just how much money does she need to have up front? Additionally, do you really believe this is a sound way to get a legit teaching job in the UAE?


I do not know what your issue is Nomad but I never stated she should just come on a Tourist Visa looking for a job, but that she should apply to jobs regardless of what some people say on this board in regards to the qualifications that keep being pushed.

Reality is that she will work on a Tourist Visa here at most schools from anywhere of 1 to 4 months, sometimes teachers have worked the entire school year on a Tourist Visa. That is reality here. Reality too as an expat is you get housing allowance even if a local hire. I changed schools for a better position this June and even though considered a local hire, I got housing and car allowances.

Secondly Dubizzle isn't just for locals, I got my apartment from there because no one will help you find an apartment, that is reality too. Plus I got almost new furniture from their for my family from an expat that was leaving. Dubizzle helps a lot and even some teachers I know found better schools from Dubizzle. Dubizzle is what I am using to find a new apartment and move as well.

As far as pets, that's up to her and negotiating with a landlord. The landlord or tenant company won't even begin to talk until she has the residence visa. Most schools if they hire you from overseas will put you up in a local hotel apartment, that is par for the course here. But she will have plenty of paperwork to file from the USA before she can even bring a pet, USDA, State Vet certification, etc and notarization by the UAE Embassy and US State Department. I left my dogs with my friend in the USA because the process is too cumbersome.

Nomad I am not here to find her a job, negotiate the salary, find her an apartment, and give her all sorts of technical data. I was giving her a good lay of the land here and answer some questions. Come on, I had to do my own homework and learned even more on the ground because reality is much more than what you are told by anyone.

Basically I have found over the years, if people tell you that you won't get a job; try for it anyway because you may just get it. I did. I had offers in KSA, Kuwait, and UAE all at the same time but since my wife is Pakistani, UAE was the best option.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rdobbs98 wrote:
I do not know what your issue is Nomad but I never stated she should just come on a Tourist Visa looking for a job, but that she should apply to jobs regardless of what some people say on this board in regards to the qualifications that keep being pushed.

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Nomad I am not here to find her a job, negotiate the salary, find her an apartment, and give her all sorts of technical data. I was giving her a good lay of the land here and answer some questions. Come on, I had to do my own homework and learned even more on the ground because reality is much more than what you are told by anyone.

My issue is that your responses haven't been relevant to the OP's situation. You write from your personal perspective as someone already sponsored (living/working) in the UAE and not from hers as a potential job seeker presently residing in the US. Moreover, despite posting several times in this thread, you never addressed her main question about her timing for a February start date nor her concerns about bringing her dog and cat to the UAE and having them live with her. (I doubt hunting for an apartment in the UAE and buying furniture are on her list of priorities.)

For example, rdobbs98 wrote:
Here are links to search by:

http://www.indeed.ae/jobs?q=teacher&sort=date

http://uae.dubizzle.com/jobs/education/?keywords=&is_basic_search_widget=0&is_search=1&job_title=&added__gte=&salary=&skill_level=&required_work_experience__gte=&required_education_level__gte=&required_commitment=

....

Dubizzle isn't just for locals, I got my apartment from there because no one will help you find an apartment, that is reality too. Plus I got almost new furniture from their for my family from an expat that was leaving. Dubizzle helps a lot and even some teachers I know found better schools from Dubizzle. Dubizzle is what I am using to find a new apartment and move as well.

Specifically, by providing that link to locally-advertised jobs on Dubizzle and posting about the requirement of a demonstration before the Sharjah Education Council for in order to be employed as a teacher in Sharjah, working on a tourist visa, apartment hunting, furniture buying, and so on, you mislead job seekers who are outside the UAE by implying they should search for teaching jobs while in country on a tourist visa. As I previously posted, "Dubizzle is a local classifieds service; therefore, job ads on its site target local residents (Emiratis and sponsored expats representing countries from all over the world) and not job seekers from abroad. Local hire employment generally equates to measly teachers' pay (7000-9000 AED/$1900-2450 USD per month) and few, if any, benefits. Plus, many teaching positions are likely to be part time."

No one expects you to find the OP a job. However, it wouldn't have hurt to have named a couple of decent schools that might be interested in hiring an American teacher with a BA in English, TEFL experience, but no teaching license. (For example, IAT comes to mind, but it may not be flexible in regard to the OP's intended Feb start date.) Anyway, unlike your personal situation as an expat resident of the UAE, the reality is that job seekers from outside the Emirates expect to get a contract for a salary that's manageable for the country's cost of living as well as full benefits (e.g., employer-provided accommodation or a sizeable housing stipend; health and dental coverage; air fare to/from the UAE initially and during summer breaks; paid holidays; etc.).

By the way, I just checked out a bunch of those job openings on Dubizzle---quite a few were for part-time work paying from 2000-4000 AED/month ($550-1100 USD), while others specified a particular nationality, usually UK or Emirati. Not surprising, some stated a preference for previous UAE teaching experience. Although I didn't look at all of the ads, I was hard-pressed to find any indicating benefits. Frankly, a school looking for an unlicensed, native-speaking teacher could easily (and cheaply) hire locally via a site like Dubizzle rather than go to the expense and time of getting someone from outside the country. Besides, schools targeting teachers from abroad tend to require solid qualifications such as a state/provincial teaching license and a degree relevant to the license. And then there's the latest government initiative for all teachers to hold licensure.

You've since clarified some of your previous comments. But khalas, this is my final two-cents' worth on this subject.
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