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slave wages in Thailand for non-NESers

 
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MESL



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:51 am    Post subject: slave wages in Thailand for non-NESers Reply with quote

We've all known for a long time that non-NESers get much lower salaries in the LOS. But here's the most flagrant example I've ever seen. It's been said before, but this drives down the wages for everyone.

Thailand Foreign Teachers Association and Teaching Jobs in Thailand, 2 large Facebook groups, refuse to post job announcements for less than 30,000 baht.


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1. Filipino teachers for four (4) positions:
Teachers will receive a salary of 15000 baht for a 12 month contract with an additional 5000 baht allowance to pay for your visa and work permit.

2. Chinese teacher (1 available position)
Teacher will receive a salary of 18000 baht for 9 months with additional 5000 baht allowance for the visa and work permit. Also, you will receive a 5000 baht allowance per month during school break.

3. African teachers for five (5) positions:
Teachers will receive a salary of 18000 baht for 9 months and a 3000 baht allowance per month during school break. We will provide the necessary documents for your visa and work permit but you must hold a degree in education. We don't accept teachers who are overstayed.



http://www.ajarn.com/recruitment/browse_jobs/Thailand/114776.html?popup=1

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1418554775107503/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/teachingjobsinthailand/
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EFL slavery for Non-Native English speakers in the LOS??....but they are getting paid in Thai Baths! Shocked Shocked Shocked
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sigmoid



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, as in in most industries, TEFL wages are primarily determined by supply and demand.

In your example, they are looking for 10 teachers. If they can fill all 10 positions, then they have a no reason to offer more. Those teachers probably won't be happy and will likely jump ship at the first opportunity, but, as you probably know, the future is hardly ever considered by the majority of people, especially in Thailand. If they can't fill all 10 positions, they might think about increasing the pay.

From the perspective of teachers, it's also pretty simple. If you can get a higher salary at another school, don't apply for these jobs.

If you are having trouble finding a job with a good salary, then apply for these jobs. At least you'll have something to cover your rent and food, and the experience may look good on your resume.

Unfortunately, many people never seem to understand that the best time to look for a job is when you already have one. They usually quit and then look for a new job. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing with the Filipinos is that they are happy with that. It's more than a teacher would start on in the Philippines.

Plus it's not every school that offers vastly lower wages. I once worked in a government school where the Pinays got 35k same as the Westerners, and I believe that it was equal pay for the Ramkhamheang teacher provision for Nonthaburi Government schools.

At the end of the day, if you don't like the pay, don't go.

A lot of schools privately prefer the Filipinos because they do what they are told, they don't complain, and they're CHEAP!

Go figure.
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MESL



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd take a Filipino teacher over a dozen native speakers. Without exception, the Filipinos I've met in the Thai school system are the most serious, responsible, and hard working people I've met anywhere in the world. But native speakers get paid twice as much regardless of their performance. If anything the Filipinos should get paid twice as much.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Average household income in Thailand is about 27.5K. Many prospective foreign teachers underestimate the impact low Thai teacher's wages have on their own earnings potential. Here in Chiang Mai, the schools are well aware of the large numbers of white faces that will do everything from make their own copies, to actually pay to work a job as a volunteer, while their agency receives payment for their efforts. Not to even mention, "working legally." More pay in BKK, but the landlords will get every Baht of it, and then some. There are always a few, ready to tell about the 500-800 per hour they earn giving private instruction, but their accounts of their numerous trips to Vientiane seem to be more accurate. Up to you.
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bigdurian



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hermosillo wrote:
Average household income in Thailand is about 27.5K. Many prospective foreign teachers underestimate the impact low Thai teacher's wages have on their own earnings potential. Here in Chiang Mai, the schools are well aware of the large numbers of white faces that will do everything from make their own copies, to actually pay to work a job as a volunteer, while their agency receives payment for their efforts. Not to even mention, "working legally." More pay in BKK, but the landlords will get every Baht of it, and then some. There are always a few, ready to tell about the 500-800 per hour they earn giving private instruction, but their accounts of their numerous trips to Vientiane seem to be more accurate. Up to you.


Just out of curiosity, where do you get that figure from and how is it calculated?

I would think for the majority of Thais it is less, remembering that the working classes make up the majority of the population by a long way.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://web.nso.go.th/ 25,403 for the first six months of 2013....Also, Household is going to be about double of average wages, which are close to 14K. And yes, the majority will be below that, as we are talking about average; not median....and some very high earners can bring up the average, and not really reflect the true conditions.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me thinks Thais have a lot more Thai Baths than the average EFL teacher every month...they group together...do almost everything together....increasing their savings across the board!! Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They think they do, but the average Thai household has 156,000 "B-A-H-T" in debt, and that likely doesn't include mortgages. They seem to take a lot of showers, but not that many "Baths."
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