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Where in Europe: over 50, quals but no experience?
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Hazeltree



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:56 am    Post subject: Where in Europe: over 50, quals but no experience? Reply with quote

Greetings,

I'm (just) over 50, female, Australian with both an Australian and a UK passport. I have a BA (psychology & social sciences, minor philosophy & literature), an MA (Psychotherapy & Counselling) and a PhD (Literary & Cultural studies). I will complete a 'bricks and mortar' CELTA this year. I have worked with children for many years, one-to-one and with their families as a psychotherapist; I have done one-off sessions in schools when there has been a tragedy, or as part of health promotion projects. I have run writing groups for English speaking teenagers and adults; reading and supervision groups for adults; art groups for children and I have co-ordinated courses at a university for a MA level course, and tutored ('associate lecturer') - but I have no school based or EFL experience.
I have high school German (I read better than I speak) and am willing to learn other languages.
I would like to work in a rural town in Europe (prefer central or eastern) for two years, with any age group, but children would be good. I would also be very good at supporting teachers or proof reading academic papers. I would like to cover the cost of my mortgage (EU600 per month) and my living costs. I don't drink or smoke, so these costs could be low. It would be good if the town has some agriculture, cheese production and preferably, little (or no??) right wing racism.
Is this realistic? If the wages are not possible, I will pay my mortgage in advance, and put forward my date of departure.
Can anyone suggest any locations that may be suitable? As part of my preparations, should I volunteer to teach English in Australia, in order to gain some experience?
Could anyone advise how I should proceed with any options that might be available to me?
Thanks for your time,
H.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would like to cover the cost of my mortgage (EU600 per month) and


You need to earn 600 Euros over and above your monthly salary? Your related qualifications are limited to a CELTA? It's not feasible. 600 Euro is 16,000 CZK (for example) and salaries are around 28,000 CZK net monthly (if you find a pretty good job). With rent at 10,000 and up, there's clearly no way that can work.

If you can pay your mortgage in advance and therefore eliminate the 600 euro, you can earn enough to get by. But you're a newbie...expect newbie salaries!
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Hazeltree



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Spiral78,
Okay I can do that. What countries can you recommend that I look in? I would have thought that rent would be cheaper in rural towns? Once I have a list of options I will go and visit in the next few months.
Best wishes,
H.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure, rents are lower in rural areas, as are salaries. There are also fewer jobs, obviously.

More on living in rural areas in the CEE region:
Your opportunities to proof academic papers will be slim (people go to the big cities where the universities are located).
Cheese production? That's extremely specific; the CEE is not really known for its cheese production in general, though imported cheeses are usually readily available in the supermarkets.
Most children in the CEE are taught English by qualified locals in regular schools; there are some opportunities for after-school supplementary lessons (Poland seems to be bigger in this respect than many other countries in the area).
Social networks; assuming that you currently don't speak any CEE language, in a rural area, this limits your possibilities for forming a social network very considerably. Foreigners aren't automatically interesting for the locals; they've all got lives and families and long-term friends - the days when simply being a native English speaker had cache are long over, even in more rural regions. You'll need to be very comfortable spending most of your free time on your own. It can help if you target regions with good transit systems to cities so that you have some weekend opportunities. Most people's first social network in these regions are other expats; it takes some time (and local language skills) to make friends among the locals.
In small towns, expect to have to do your daily business (shopping, etc.) in the local language. Younger people will usually speak some English, but many of them migrate to larger cities for school and work. Picture taciturn shopladies who have little to no patience with your lack of local language skills. There will of course be people who are NOT like this, but a few soviet-style local shopkeepers working in strategic (necessary) locations can throw a bit of a cloud over your daily existence.
Most job contracts in the region are Sept/Oct through June, so you will want to time your job hunt accordingly. Jobs aren't usually found from abroad, though very rural regions do occasionally hire someone sight-unseen.

'A list of options' is going to be difficult to formulate. If you took a CELTA in the region (Prague, for example, offers quite a few courses) the training centers can hook you up with employers who have openings, but it's fairly rare to find many advertisements for positions. Rural areas are more a word-of-mouth/regional-network kind of thing in most cases.
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Hazeltree



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks once again Spiral78.

I am thinking of the regional white cheeses from Macedonia, the Parmesan-like sheep cheeses of Bosnia Herzogovina and the amazing seeded curd cheese from Lithuania - sure, it's a specific request. Many countries have their regional farm cheeses, so long as they have goats or sheep. As I have done some basic cheese making and I keep bees, these kind of things would be of interest to me, and they are a way into the community. I am from a rural town and you know what they say ...can't take the country out of the girl...

I was intending to set the proofing up remotely, and not necessarily at the same time - I know I may have limited internet connections. I have a possibility through Greece and will be visiting Thessaloniki just prior to September, so was thinking of visiting a few towns in Hungary that have been mentioned and hopefully some others that people are yet to suggest. Obviously I am looking for a town of a scale that would not support a university for good reason Wink and strangely have yet to experience either boredom or loneliness - but your warning is heeded.

I am sorry to hear about the lack of English teaching work with children in Central and Eastern Europe - one of the attractions of that population is that you are automatically working with the entire family when you work with children and it is another way in to the community.

So what are your thoughts about completing the CELTA and then doing voluntary work teaching English to refugee adults, rather than children then, if, as you say there is little work with children in Central and Eastern Europe? There is a formal program through my university so I could get it documented, and could be doing that while I get ahead with the mortgage. Would it be helpful in terms of acquiring work?
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hazeltree wrote:
So what are your thoughts about completing the CELTA and then doing voluntary work teaching English to refugee adults, rather than children then, if, as you say there is little work with children in Central and Eastern Europe?

Refugees will want/need to learn the language of the new country as a requirement for employment and services. Unless they're in the UK, English won't be that language.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not clear if the OP is thinking of teaching refugee adults in Australia to gain experience, or in teaching refugees in Europe as an alternative to teaching children.

Statistically, there are relatively few refugees in the CEE region, and as nomadsoul points out, they need the local language far more urgently than English.

Teaching refugees in Australia doesn't translate directly to teaching adults in the CEE region, so not worth spending a great deal of time/energy on if you are focused on teaching in this region.

The bulk of entry teaching here is to adult businesspeople, so if you can boost your quals in terms of teaching business, that can help. I suggest that a CELTA here will serve you better than a CELTA earned in Australia in terms of practical experience teaching European students and connections to regional schools.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hazeltree wrote:
It would be good if the town has some agriculture, cheese production.
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I am thinking of the regional white cheeses from Macedonia, the Parmesan-like sheep cheeses of Bosnia Herzogovina and the amazing seeded curd cheese from Lithuania - sure, it's a specific request. Many countries have their regional farm cheeses, so long as they have goats or sheep. As I have done some basic cheese making and I keep bees, these kind of things would be of interest to me, and they are a way into the community. I am from a rural town and you know what they say ...can't take the country out of the girl...

The heck with teaching. Since you