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kona



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Eastern Washington University’s English Language Institute is in crisis mode.

The intensive language training program for foreign students in Cheney, Wash., saw enrollment plummet by more than half in recent months, to 41 students for the spring quarter. It cut its part-time teaching staff to two from eight, and eliminated some student-worker positions.

Seemingly overnight, its core market—Saudi Arabian students funded by government scholarships—nosedived.

“We knew this wouldn’t last forever, but I wasn’t expecting as sharp a drop-off,” said Neil Heyen, the institute’s director.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-colleges-bounty-of-foreign-students-thins-1464085091
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zbird



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I ask why you're focusing on universities rather than language schools? Are the pay or job prospects better?
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kona



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zbird wrote:
Can I ask why you're focusing on universities rather than language schools? Are the pay or job prospects better?


Language centers pay much lower, sometimes below $20 an hour.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update your online skills. Now, many colleges are seeking teachers who are willing to teach online/blended courses.
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kona



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this could make a huge difference in the future. Will look it into it. Also, finally got some work for a local language center; pay is $28.42 per hour.
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peripatetic_soul



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:37 pm    Post subject: Student slump? Reply with quote

To add to the ESL slump and to the potential detriment of many ELLs, one state's comm. college system (sans representation by English and/or ESL faculty) has decided that ESL students who graduated from high school in the U.S. with a 3.0 QPA or higher will be exempt from the college's ESL placement test and enter regular classes. That decision may spell disaster because I teach ESL writing classes to quite a few of those high school ELLs who still have not achieved proficiency to be successful in academic subjects. In fact, a few placed into lower intermediate and some have had to repeat the ESL writing courses. We all know the research on this most challenging skill. This will also represent a huge challenge for English 101 (composition) instructors in many respects, one of which is that there is no explicit grammar instruction where ESL struggle the most (as well as word form/word choice, syntax, awkward phrasing, etc.). It's a disservice to the ELLs in the long term, even though they will consider this a victory to pursue their academic goals.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which state decided to do that?
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peripatetic_soul



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:28 pm    Post subject: Student Slump? Reply with quote

Reply to danmbob on "which state decided to do that?"

It's official now in updated policy changes that were announced this week-- ELLs who may be exempt from English placement testing -- in the VCCS (Va community college system). Of course, none of the English or ESL faculty were privy to this Committee meeting.

I wonder if any other state comm. college systems have implemented this policy.

Another consideration: Will this policy recognize high school diplomas of EFL students overseas who pursued English courses?

Hopefully, this policy will be clarified at our next start-up meeting.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meanwhile, in Canada...

Our student registration numbers are skyrocking, including international ESL students coming from the USA.
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peripatetic_soul



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:23 pm    Post subject: Student Slump Reply with quote

Dear santi,

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Our student registration numbers are skyrocking, including international ESL students coming from the USA.


Are most of your ESL students on F-1 visas, or do they have a green card? I suppose that should be no surprise.

It will be interesting to compare ESL enrollment stats in the fall (after the new policy takes effect) with prior semesters when we had to add extra sections of classes. BTW, enrollment in regular academic classes has declined significantly each semester; I don't know if that can be attributed to more students pursuing online classes, precarious employment options, increasing tuition costs, or other factors.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Student Slump Reply with quote

peripatetic_soul wrote:
Dear santi,

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Our student registration numbers are skyrocking, including international ESL students coming from the USA.


Are most of your ESL students on F-1 visas, or do they have a green card? I suppose that should be no surprise.

It will be interesting to compare ESL enrollment stats in the fall (after the new policy takes effect) with prior semesters when we had to add extra sections of classes. BTW, enrollment in regular academic classes has declined significantly each semester; I don't know if that can be attributed to more students pursuing online classes, precarious employment options, increasing tuition costs, or other factors.

PS


That's a tricky question. I'm not privy to their specific details but a number of them have recently obtained Canadian PR status (which is a similar concept to the US green card). There are always the F-1 students transferring in to Canada, but this new group is a suprise. Our college also has a proportionately high Muslim population, particulary from the countries on Trump's list. Coincidence? I don't know. I can't imagine they got their paperwork done that fast!
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kona



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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

santi84 wrote:
Meanwhile, in Canada...

Our student registration numbers are skyrocking, including international ESL students coming from the USA.


I think Saudi Arabia cutting its scholarship program had a bigger effect on student numbers than the president's bombast, though that sure doesn't help either.

In Washington state, things have stabilized near Seattle, but rural universities have smaller programs now.
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Noelle



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very bleak here.

I'm in San Diego at a major university language program and we've just received an email advising us that fall enrollments look very bad, and to start planning/budgeting accordingly.

No job security since the Saudis stopped coming, but we all knew this day was imminent. Enrollment is less than half what it was this time last year for us, and numerous teachers have already lost their jobs. More cuts coming in a month for certain...Sad
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peripatetic_soul



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:57 pm    Post subject: Student Slump Reply with quote

Greetings! We anticipated decreased enrollment at our comm. college ESL Program since the high school ELLs with 3.0+ QPA may opt out of ESL, regardless of placement testing results. FYI Most tested in low-intermediate range of ESL, but none chose to pursue ESL courses. I don't know if they have been placed in the developmental English courses (designated as ENF2 and 3) or have been permitted to enter Eng. 111 Composition.

However, there have been surprising changes in demographics, e.g., we are now observing a large influx of F-1 visa students, many of whom are from Vietnam and China as well as SIVs (special visa holders from Afghanistan and Iraq) who were interpreters for the US military.

Yes, you're right about Saudis -- we have none this semester. The few we had failed their courses 3x, lost gov't sponsorship, and hence, have returned home. I understand the same phenomenon has impacted VCU where many adjuncts lost their jobs. Times are tough for TESLERs.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We are in the third week of the new IEP I started at a small college in NYC. When we planned for this fall, we sensibly budgeted for eight students for the semester. I knew that the SACM situation would make it tough to enjoy a large influx. Fortunately, we have somehow managed to enroll exactly eight students. All of them tested into our highest level (one semester of IEP then matriculate into degree programs); it would have been nice if some tested lower and continued onto spring!
The next hurdle is spring semester enrollment. Spring semester new enrollment is, in my experience, usually quite tricky, and this will be no different for this Program. I think we will be fortunate to have four to six students for spring. This may mean that one of our adjuncts will have to take the semester off, a prospect about which I certainly am not excited. We'll have to see.
Our current student roster is quite diverse, as we have students from Japan, Saudi Arabia (SACM), Chile, Ivory Coast, Turkey, as well as two Americans (an advantage of being in NYC, I guess!).
After attending NAFSA this summer and hearing the horror stories from IEPs around the country, I feel great that we were able to launch the Program and meet the budgetary planning, at least for the fall semester. However, as I said, spring is a whole other story, and we will see what the future will bring!
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