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What are my chances in Poland?
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you are aware that any potential employer will have to jump thru considerable legal hoops to hire you, just assume that they will prefer any candidate they can hire without the hassle. This is always true.
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Oztobeyond



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
When you are aware that any potential employer will have to jump thru considerable legal hoops to hire you, just assume that they will prefer any candidate they can hire without the hassle. This is always true.


Yeah sure, and I understand that to an extent. It's still unethical on principle after all the correspondence we've had. BUT AT LEAST email me and tell me sorry, the position is not available anymore. That's what really makes me mad. The guy couldn't even be bothered after weeks and weeks of leading me on to tell me that I'm really sorry, we can't make it work. Or even if they lied about why.

Anyway, I'm going to try and start a business. This country sure is hard to work in.
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Master Shake



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, starting a business is usually the best option. You'll stop being viewed as schools' 'last resort' teacher and instead be moved to the top of the list.

I'm a U.S. citizen and I remember schools initially being very enthusiastic to hire me, UNTIL they learned of the series of hoops they'd have to jump through to do so.
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sparks



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

youll have to start an LLC. strangely, only americans or eu citizens are allowed to open a sole trader business.
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simon_porter00



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LLC is 5000zł capital to be invested as starting capital, approx 1000zł start up fees (done on the cheap - advice, getting paperwork properly done etc) and accountancy to be paid for on a monthly basis (you won't be able to do the accountancy yourself like you can as a sole trader). On top of that, the money you earn will be double taxed - the LLC will have to pay a tax rate to receive the money and you will be taxed when you pay yourself from the LLC.

Unless you're earning a crazy amount of money, i'd say (and I'm sure you'll agree) it's not really worth it.
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sparks



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

possibly twój start-up could manage you something but your have to contact them and see what their hoodoo is putting out.
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Oztobeyond



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sparks wrote:
possibly twój start-up could manage you something but your have to contact them and see what their hoodoo is putting out.


Hi sparks, could you possibly provide more information for me? I don't quite understand what you are talking about. If it's more appropriate please PM me, thanks.
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sparks



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twoj Startup is a company that sets up some kind of business or cooperation with their foundation. I believe that it is a bit shady because you pay lower social payments and tax through their structure but they have been around for quite a few years and don't seem to have any problems. They say that they can help foreigners with their residency and get your "business" set up so that you can work. I would write to them (they say they speak English) . Here is the link to their email: [email protected]

I'm not trying to advertise (as I said I think their a bit shady) but if you're desperate to come to Europe, they might be a chance for you. Write to them and see what they say.
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Oztobeyond



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sparks wrote:
Twoj Startup is a company that sets up some kind of business or cooperation with their foundation. I believe that it is a bit shady because you pay lower social payments and tax through their structure but they have been around for quite a few years and don't seem to have any problems. They say that they can help foreigners with their residency and get your "business" set up so that you can work. I would write to them (they say they speak English) . Here is the link to their email: [email protected]

I'm not trying to advertise (as I said I think their a bit shady) but if you're desperate to come to Europe, they might be a chance for you. Write to them and see what they say.


Thank you very much sparks. I really appreciate that.
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dragonpiwo



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:40 pm    Post subject: erm Reply with quote

I had to use Twoj Startup when I worked for Empik for 2 months in 2014 between the oil gig I had and the 1 I have now.

Basically, it's a tax dodge as you are not a materials writer but a teacher. It's that old scam. I used a lawyer to get paid after 3 months I got my pay in full and threatened with legal action.

I hope this girl's really hot because it's going to be a bunch of hassle for very little in the way of reward. My long-term pals in Poz no longer go anywhere near language schools and most are doing things other than teaching or trying to.
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Oztobeyond



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Smile

Here we go again - I have another job offer Wink

The pay to say the least is not particularly heartening.

I'm told I'll be making between 2300-2800 zloty per month for working full-time. However, this lot are quite confident that they can get me my working permit.

Could someone paint a picture of what it would be like to live in Poland on this salary? I intend to flatshare with a good mate of mine 50/50 on rent and utilities, so we'll be leasing a 2 bedroom flat hopefully in an OK area in an OK apartment.

Thanks,
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Master Shake



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Oztobeyond,

Yes, that pay is pretty dire. A couple of things first though: What city are we talking about and is the pay you posted gross or net?

Rent in for a 2 bedroom apartment in Warsaw is likely to be 1,800 - 2,200 (and up). Half that would be about 1,000zl. So right off the bat, you'd be spending close to half of your salary on rent - not a good start.

If we're talking about a smaller town, the money will go much further, but at best you'll just barely be making ends meet.

I'm sure other posters will chime in soon about how this offer is so pathetic, it's an affront to humanity. Overly dramatic, but not wrong.

Still, all of this considered, if they school actually would take care of your visa and work permit woes, it might actually be worth it - just to get your foot in the door.
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Oztobeyond



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Master Shake wrote:
Hi Oztobeyond,

Yes, that pay is pretty dire. A couple of things first though: What city are we talking about and is the pay you posted gross or net?

Rent in for a 2 bedroom apartment in Warsaw is likely to be 1,800 - 2,200 (and up). Half that would be about 1,000zl. So right off the bat, you'd be spending close to half of your salary on rent - not a good start.

If we're talking about a smaller town, the money will go much further, but at best you'll just barely be making ends meet.

I'm sure other posters will chime in soon about how this offer is so pathetic, it's an affront to humanity. Overly dramatic, but not wrong.

Still, all of this considered, if they school actually would take care of your visa and work permit woes, it might actually be worth it - just to get your foot in the door.


We are still in Wroclaw with this one. That amount is net. Yes, your thinking matches my thinking - pay is awful, *but* they are a reputable school, and if they actually do end up securing my work permit, then at least I'll get there. After months of getting nowhere, they seem like my best shot.

Of course I have the option of supplementing my income with a second job. Specifically, I've kept some good connections in China and I think I've secured an online teaching position. Just teaching with them a few hours a week with them should bring the pay up closer to 1,000USD per month.

Nonetheless, let's assume for a moment that this job is my sole income. Can someone help me paint a picture of life in Wroclaw at say 2300 zloty per month? As previously stated, I intend to flat share with a mate - 2 bedroom in a reasonable area, costs 50/50. Cheers,
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dragonpiwo



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:48 am    Post subject: Costs... Reply with quote

Let's say you have 2,500 a month. 1,000 chips will go on rent and that leaves you 50 Zloty per day.

How that could break down in Wroclaw (I live in Poznan), quite near and a similar city in many ways, especially prices.

2 tram tickets=5 PLN (1 to work, 1 back)
A sandwich for breakfast from a bakery or a hotdog=5 PLN
A coffee in a coffee shop=7-12 PLN
Lunch in a milk bar ie soup and a roll=6 PLN
A bottle of water=2 PLN
Dinner in a kebab shop=10-15 PLN
1 beer=5-9 PLN
That's your 50 PLN a day. Don't expect to be going out.

Don't know if you smoke but smokes= 15 PLN
Pair of cheapo jeans from Tesco 80 PLN
Pair of winter boots= 300 PLN
Average night in a hotel=200 PLN, hostles 100 PLN
JD and coke 14 PLN
Internet in your flat 50 PLN
Electrcity and Gas 200 PLN/month
Local rates on your flat (czyncz) upto 400 PLN
Gel stick deodorant=15 PLN
Toothpaste=8 PLN
Haircut=25 PLN
Soap=2.5 PLN
Petrol=5 PLN/litre
Cinema=25 PLN
Entrance to a club=20 PLN
Bottle of wine in a restaurant=50-150 PLN average
Bread=3 PLN
Eggs=5 PLN
Gym membership=100 PLN/month
Average taxi=12 PLN often more (especially after 9pm ie when you go out)

My advice on that salary:

1-Get a girlfriend with a job because most Polish girls expect a guy to pay for them, not all the time but certainly when you first start dating
2-Drink at home and then go out-load up on sobieski cheap vodka
3-Go vegetarian as vegetables are really cheap
4-Come to an understanding with your mum and dad that they will pay for your ticket home
5-Don't get sick (150 PLN to see a specialist ie quickly)
6-Don't go to a dentist (100 PLN at least just for a clean)
7-Don't smoke

All things said and done, if you're overweight, you won't be after 6 months on that salary.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:54 am    Post subject: Re: Costs... Reply with quote

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If you're overweight, you won't be after 6 months on that salary.

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