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Regret not getting PGCE/K-12 sooner?
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peripatetic_soul



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:28 pm    Post subject: Regret Not getting Reply with quote

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I wonder how long term expat American certified teachers maintain their licensure when the terms of licensure require that the teacher attend reqular classes to keep their knowledge and skills up-to-date.


It is relatively easy to obtain relicensure while overseas, as outlined on your DOE's list of acceptable categories. My state requires 180 credit hours over a 5-year period.

Categories may include:1) teaching one semester at an institution yields 90 points; 2) attendance at workshops and PDs (including those attended while teaching overseas), 3) presentations, 4) online or distance learning, webinars, etc., 5) submission of a scholarly article to a journal, 6) mentoring or training other teacher candidates, and 7) regular classes. Allowable points per category and weight of each activity are clearly explained by your DOE.

The HOD at your overseas institution can sign a letter attesting to those earned credits. I pursued recertification of state teaching license while still teaching in UAE with no problems. That's why I recommend maintaining a list of the above credentials while overseas . . . just in case (even though I haven't returned to p.s.). It's well advised to be prepared with a Plan B . . . and sometimes a Plan C. Best wishes.
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mitsui



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on the state. Oregon really pushes professional development.

I am certified in Arizona and have to get an extension for my provisional certification.
I have taken two tests and took an online class. By 2020 it will expire unless I have two years of full-time teaching. Currently I work part-time at two universities.
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JoThomas



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Ontario, Canada, you pay a yearly fee which can be done online, and we don't have to complete any additional qualifications. Although, AQ courses do look good on the resume.

kev20 wrote:


Is having done TEFL a benefit at home in getting a teaching job and is it of any benefit in the western classroom?


The CELTA certificate is recognized in Canada if you want to teach TEFL to adults in a classroom setting. There are many immigrants that go to private language schools where a CELTA is universally recognized.

A two year TEFL course from a Canadian college is also highly recognized if you want to work in the TEFL field teaching immigrants.

If you want to teach in public schools, then you need a B.Ed. I think your TEFL experience could definitely benefit you if you go to Teacher's College and in the eight week practicum as you will have some classroom experience. If you want to teach ESL in the public system you will have to have three AQ courses in ESL to become a specialist in that field.
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peripatetic_soul



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:48 pm    Post subject: regret not getting PC sooner Reply with quote

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It depends on the state. Oregon really pushes professional development.


Yes, as I indicated, the guidelines differ by state and I'm referring to teachers who have been certified and seeking recert.
As I recall, a major portion of allowable points were in the PD category (which happened to be the easiest to accumulate since we attended numerous PDs at university overseas). The maximum allowed for teaching at another (tertiary) institution was one semester but that is worth 90 of the 180 points. Again, this is based on one state's requirements.

BTW, we must remit a fee to the DOE when we submit our credentials for recertification. Nothing is free! ha

Regards, PS
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roywebcafe



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am 53 with a CELTA a and first degree. Taught EFL between 2003 and 2014, I did a pgce in ESOL back in 2006 but didn't get it due to falling out with course leader. I am now thinking of going back into TEFL because of the economic climate and situation. Is it worth me doing an extra course before? Have seen some good level entry offers in China. I would recommend to anybody get your pgce before going into TEFL as it will be harder to return to UK after working abroad , well it was for me. Those who haven't and have any motivation left should try if you want to work at international schools.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread deserves to be bumped.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I escaped from secondary school teaching to work in Teaching English in Exotic Locales (TEEL). That is when I at last, reluctantly, grew up.

Now retired I am back in my native Caledonia reflecting on a life spent doing not very much - but in parts of the world that many people never see.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just curious... Do any of the UK and Australian k12 teaching qualifications need to be renewed? If so, how often and what does renewal entail?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
I'm just curious... Do any of the UK and Australian k12 teaching qualifications need to be renewed? If so, how often and what does renewal entail?


I have a PGCE from the UK and nobody has ever told me that it needs to be renewed.
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In the heat of the moment



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Training for QTS is an interesting topic I've considered before. The barrier as I see it is I'd have to give up three years of rewarding, fairly low pressure work to do a very difficult course (with a decade of experience in ESL I would probably find changing my spots tricky to overcome), and then two years of high pressure, low reward (demoralising by the sounds of it) work in order to just apply for my first role in an international school. Not only would I be putting myself through the grinder for three years, but I'd also take a 100% pay cut for one of them and a huge pay cut for two. And I'd have to pay for my course and accommodation, plus tax, for those three years. The advantage obviously is after going through all of that, if I managed to do so, I'd be able to apply for decent roles in many more countries than those I'm limited to now.
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1st Sgt Welsh



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the heat of the moment wrote:
Training for QTS is an interesting topic I've considered before. The barrier as I see it is I'd have to give up three years of rewarding, fairly low pressure work to do a very difficult course (with a decade of experience in ESL I would probably find changing my spots tricky to overcome), and then two years of high pressure, low reward (demoralising by the sounds of it) work in order to just apply for my first role in an international school. Not only would I be putting myself through the grinder for three years, but I'd also take a 100% pay cut for one of them and a huge pay cut for two. And I'd have to pay for my course and accommodation, plus tax, for those three years. The advantage obviously is after going through all of that, if I managed to do so, I'd be able to apply for decent roles in many more countries than those I'm limited to now.


Yep. I've just done a couple of months doing a teaching practicum in a public school in Oz. That was more than enough! To hell with doing three years of it.

The hours and the level of disrespect that teachers were expected to put with was just appalling. I don't even see it as a case of whether you can hack it, I see it more in terms of why the bloody hell should you? My first lesson of the practicum was teaching a Year 9 Humanities class and, if I'd experienced such appalling behavior teaching ESL in a language school, I would probably have left after about twenty minutes, cleaned out my desk and then told the boss where they could stick their job. Seriously! However, this was at a very low-performing school in a rough area (the fact that there was a cop full-time on campus with their own office pretty much says it all) and if I had been placed somewhere else then things might have been very different. Don't get me wrong, there were still some good kids there and many of the teachers were wonderful. Even so, I did my first practicum at an IB school in the Philippines and the differences between the two were like night and day.

Anyway, you've also got consider where you are in terms of career. I'm not a spring chicken and, when it comes to making such sacrifices, I've got to consider whether it's worth it. International schools are private organizations and they can hire whoever they want. Instead of doing the three years to get the QTS, maybe you are better of staying in ESL, having a decent life and finishing a related Masters degree part-time or something. Also, lets not forget, that many international schools hire ESL teachers. Besides, you only have to be lucky once and once you have got that international schooling experience then you're set.
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nimadecaomei



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I have the PGCE, but lack the QTS (would require an uproot from my family that I am not willing to make at this point). I was hired on to teach EAP for an AP program here in China (It is the English Lit./Lang. for non-AP students). Next year I will be teaching the AP stuff, which means the AP board in the US will have to recognize me as an AP teacher. Like Sgt said, they can hire who they want, and often they need someone yesterday. You can get lucky sometimes and things work out. Of course, if I was outside of China, I am not sure how people would respond to my experience, but my qualifications are all certified by institutions outside of China.

I will note here that my PGCE is not subject specific, which means it was easier to obtain. It does, however, open doors. It also gets you part way to the goal if you want to be a 100% certified home country teacher. I am from the US holding this PGCE, but if I want to go back to the US and get a cert there really are not too many modules to complete. Just the time I would have to be there to do it is annoying.
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