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When the "well runs dry"... What's next?
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my initial post, I stated:
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Throughout this forum there have been plenty of posters grumbling about the continuing decline in salary/benefits, especially the mediocre pay for-profit companies like ICEAT, QEHC, SBC, and the like are offering.

Given that this trend isn't going to change, how does this impact your TEFL job prospects in the Kingdom? What other options are you exploring in terms of staying employed and financially afloat in TEFL in general?

Actually, my use of the "well running dry" really wasn't particularly about KSA's oil economy; wages have been stagnant or sliding downward for quite some time. The focus here is about that decreasing "well" of salaries and bennies.

There's another piece to this. Job seekers who have hit KSA's retirement age (60) are generally left with one option: working via a biz/work visit visa with the crappiest of contracting companies). When is enough really enough?
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Grendal



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
In my initial post, I stated:
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Throughout this forum there have been plenty of posters grumbling about the continuing decline in salary/benefits, especially the mediocre pay for-profit companies like ICEAT, QEHC, SBC, and the like are offering.

Given that this trend isn't going to change, how does this impact your TEFL job prospects in the Kingdom? What other options are you exploring in terms of staying employed and financially afloat in TEFL in general?

Actually, my use of the "well running dry" really wasn't particularly about KSA's oil economy; wages have been stagnant or sliding downward for quite some time. The focus here is about that decreasing "well" of salaries and bennies.

There's another piece to this. Job seekers who have hit KSA's retirement age (60) are generally left with one option: working via a biz/work visit visa with the crappiest of contracting companies). When is enough really enough?
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Actually we are seeing the dying embers of ELT by expats here in Saudi. We won't be totally gone but significantly reduced.

enjoy

Grendal
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scot47



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Increasingly Saudis are learning that they do not need huge numbers of over-privileged Westerners teaching their Youth.
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siologen



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:46 am    Post subject: re: true Reply with quote

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Increasingly Saudis are learning that they do not need huge numbers of over-privileged Westerners teaching their Youth.


I think the same thing is happening in the far east also, salaries remaining low/static and visa rules being racheted even tighter.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Within one generation China will produce its own teachers of English. There will be no need - real or perceived - for TEFLers from the Anglosphere.

If my prediction is wrong you can take it up with me on the other side of the Pearly Gates. I will have left this Vale of Tears by then !
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siologen



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:26 pm    Post subject: re: Fair enough.. Reply with quote

I agree the far east has nowt to do with the middle east, my mistake there.

S.


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MixtecaMike



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grendal wrote:

Actually we are seeing the dying embers of ELT by expats here in Saudi. We won't be totally gone but significantly reduced.

enjoy

Grendal

And your grandchildren will still come here to post...
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I may be a "jinx" or an albatross.

I taught in Africa.

When I left economies went downhill.

I taught in Bulgaria

When I left the economy crashed.

I taught in Saudi Arabia

when I left the price of oil dived
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sicklyman



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:13 am    Post subject: Re: re: Fair enough.. Reply with quote

siologen wrote:
nor do I hope or wish for you to pass through those pearly gates

I know scot47 hasn't been the most popular poster here, but to wish him ill in the afterlife is a tad harsh, no?
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siologen



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:24 am    Post subject: re: not my intent... Reply with quote

No malice on my part, pal!
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who has been the most popular poster here ?

I am happy to be, as a prophet according to Scripture, "a man without honour in his own land".
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sicklyman



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

not sure either of you got that one... Rolling Eyes

moving on
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Grendal



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MixtecaMike wrote:
Grendal wrote:

Actually we are seeing the dying embers of ELT by expats here in Saudi. We won't be totally gone but significantly reduced.

enjoy

Grendal

And your grandchildren will still come here to post...


I don't have any children that I know about nor grandchildren for that matter.
😎

Enjoy
Grendal
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BajaLaJaula



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes Scot. The plight of each of those countries is somehow directly related to your ESL teaching there....or not?
Funny coincidence, though.

The end has come to the prospect of a profitable ESL career in Saudi, too. The last bastion of easy money for teaching English.
Military gigs have now all "smelled the stench of cheap coffee," and have lowered their salaries to meet the new lower salaries of the rest of the teaching jobs in Saudi.

Aramco (direct hire), according to many who have posted here, is now a thing of the past.

Booz Allen has lost their contract.

Blue Force, Vinnell, and SALTS have been and will continue to cut salaries and benefits.

New jobs teaching in Saudi are now a tenable solution for only the desperate, the financially stricken, and the religious zealots.

But, alas the golden years, which I caught just the tail-end of, were fun while they lasted.
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