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IF I had it to do over, I would not enter into ESL teaching.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sammysez wrote:
Part-time, no benefits, no "possibility" of full-time employment, no healthcare, no sick time, no prep time etc.. and on and on the contract went.....

We got it the first, second, third, and fourth times you've voiced your complaints about this part-time job in the US.

Stop applying for adjunct ESL positions; they're not likely to become full time. TESOL jobs aren't in high demand in English-speaking countries. Plus, international student enrollment numbers are down in the US, which has impacted university IEPs.

If you've moved back to the US and need full-time employment with benefits, seek out work in other fields.
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AGoodStory



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We got it the first, second, third, and fourth times you've voiced your complaints about this part-time job in the US.


Huh? I've actually been sympathizing, rather than counting. Given how many of the regular members here spend time venting, I would be surprised if more than a very few of us are unwilling to tolerate Sammy indulging in a bit himself. After all, he has made some very good points--and venting is often the first stage of being able to address a problem.

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maueuewome



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy Wow such a personal and family-like community ! I think my wife is going to like it here. (She joined with me.) So, is it through the PMs that everyone makes friends? I guess I need to get busy posting if I'm going to make any friends!

I'm also wondering how many professional recruiters are the among the regular members.

Cheers Smile

P.s.
A Good Story wrote:
Venting is often the first step
My wife said that's denial.
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AGoodStory



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maueuewome wrote:
Very Happy

P.s.
A Good Story wrote:
Venting is often the first step
My wife said that's denial.


And your wife would be correct! My phrasing was inaccurate. Just think something along the line of "comes before." Very Happy Welcome to the forum, maueuewome!

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maueuewome



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AGoodStory wrote:
My phrasing was inaccurate. Just think something along the line of "comes before."
Nopes. I "think" the venting is a form of repeated denial and Nomad Soul (Hi!) provided information. I also think you imply Nomad Soul giving a number to repeated denials is in some way wrong while saying other things the poster says should be more important. Essentially, turning the conversation to Nomad Soul's style instead of what she said while excusing the repeated denials.

It's kind of funny you have said you made a mistake with phrasing, but not your meaning and change the stages of grief or distress to tell me what to think. I know it's just an expression, but it's old school insistence and charades as helpful suggestion and friendly acknowledgement without the help and acknowledgement.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If this thread is to continue, it must get back on topic beginning with the next and all subsequent postings. Off-topic/derailing postings will earn makers of same sanctions that can include permanent banning along with ISPs.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not trying to be Debbie Downer, but if I had it to do over, I would not become an ESL teacher. Basically I'm eating my degree, because it's really not paying the bills like I thought.

Rather than dwell on the past and on the scarcity of full-time ESL jobs in the US, seriously consider options that help you move forward. If you're unsure where your skill set and experience would fit, contact your state labor department for workforce/job centers in your county, where there are employment services and specialists who can help you determine career paths that might interest you. Be sure to ask about training via the Workforce Innovation and Opportunity Act (WIOA). For your state, do a search on wioa [state name].
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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know several people in Ontario, Canada who got into language teaching (a one-year certificate from a university / college) but didn't want to leave the country. Without a masters degree (in anything at all, really) that's not enough to teach at a university or college. (With a masters degree in anything at all, then you are able to teach at that level. More and more jobs require the masters to be in language teaching these days- unless you know someone)

So they found other ways to use their ESL postgraduate qualification.

Some of the common ways are:

1. Use it to gain entry into a k12 program and become an elementary (junior high if your state has it) or high school teacher (depending on your 'teachables') who ALSO teaches ESL. (probably the most common for these people. Some people do the one-year certificate in TESL simply to get a better chance to get into the postgraduate teacher education course).

2. Get training in publishing (another year-long certificate), and use the ESL certificate to get yourself into educational publishing. It's one of the few areas of publishing that is still an area people actually get jobs in. The OP doesn't actually say what level this degree that he / she is eating is (masters?) but if it's actually in language teaching, then it should have taught them grammar. Editing jobs require that.
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