Site Search:
 
Get TEFL Certified & Start Your Adventure Today!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Students and Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Online teaching frustrations RANT...
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Online Teaching Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Deats



Joined: 02 Jan 2015
Posts: 503

PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's absurd is there are 6 people in the class. Each kid is probably paying $10 a lesson and probably quite a bit more. That's MINIMUM $60 a lesson for the school and they pay you... peanuts.

Regardless of what country you live in, it's shocking pay.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
BadBeagleBad



Joined: 23 Aug 2010
Posts: 1183
Location: 24.18105,-103.25185

PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
Yes, I understand about this (haven't lived in the US for over 20 years myself). But I still think it sounds exploitative if it's an international or multi national organization paying this amount.


Oh, it totally is, and I realize that. Nevertheless, it allows me to live somewhere there are NO jobs, but that has a very low cost of living, something I could not do otherwise. So the trade off is worth it to me. YMMV
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
BadBeagleBad



Joined: 23 Aug 2010
Posts: 1183
Location: 24.18105,-103.25185

PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deats wrote:
What's absurd is there are 6 people in the class. Each kid is probably paying $10 a lesson and probably quite a bit more. That's MINIMUM $60 a lesson for the school and they pay you... peanuts.

Regardless of what country you live in, it's shocking pay.


Well, one of the schools I work for doesn´t charge per lesson, but rather a flat rate per month for use of live classes as well as other resources, so no one is paying $10 a class. In fact, if they take 5 classes a week, they are paying about $3 a class.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
slaqdog



Joined: 29 Apr 2003
Posts: 211

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:11 am    Post subject: dont dish the big mac Reply with quote

'You can make more at McDonalds' and comments along the same lines:
No YOU cannot! The vast majority of TEFL teachers would not last even one days training at a fast food restaurant. Stop dishing the hard working people who delivering your morning coffees, burgers and nuggets!
Show some respect and self awareness.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
oxi



Joined: 16 Apr 2007
Posts: 345
Location: elsewhere

PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:44 am    Post subject: Re: dont dish the big mac Reply with quote

slaqdog wrote:
'You can make more at McDonalds' and comments along the same lines:
No YOU cannot! The vast majority of TEFL teachers would not last even one days training at a fast food restaurant. Stop dishing the hard working people who delivering your morning coffees, burgers and nuggets!
Show some respect and self awareness.


That's not true. I lasted 3 whole weeks in McDonalds. You know nothing about the toughness of TEFL teachers.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
spiral78



Joined: 05 Apr 2004
Posts: 11437
Location: On a Short Leash

PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
No YOU cannot! The vast majority of TEFL teachers would not last even one days training at a fast food restaurant. Stop dishing the hard working people who delivering your morning coffees, burgers and nuggets!


Paid my fast-food dues as a teenager. Been there, have the t-shirt, and can make comparisons if I want. Anyway, I never said McDonalds' etc. is EASY - I only said it pays more than 8 USD/hour.

And I think the word you want is 'dissing' though 'dishing' is rather nice in the context Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
nomad soul



Joined: 31 Jan 2010
Posts: 10951
Location: The real world

PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With so many more businesses entering the online teaching market, have wages and conditions improved over the past couple of years?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
creeper1



Joined: 24 Aug 2010
Posts: 455
Location: New Taipei City, Taiwan

PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In online teaching I’d say the Philippines is a sleeping giant. If the northern Asians want cheap English tutoring then Filipinos will be able to provide it.

Not all of them have good English but a lot of them do. I’d guess this alone will keep online wages down.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Hermosillo



Joined: 17 Jun 2014
Posts: 159
Location: Chiang Mai, Thailand

PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I came across this the other day: WWW.VIPKIDUNION.COM. So perhaps, all the recruiters were being dishonest.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address
BadBeagleBad



Joined: 23 Aug 2010
Posts: 1183
Location: 24.18105,-103.25185

PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been working online for 7 years now, and have never made $8 an hour, not even when I first started. I currently earn $15US an hour, which is a very nice wage in the rural area in Mexico I live in. I have a lot of flexibility in my schedule and can trade hours pretty easily if something comes up.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jpvanderwerf2001



Joined: 02 Oct 2003
Posts: 1117
Location: New York

PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many EFL gigs require between 30-36 hours of teaching per week. At $8/hour, that means the teacher would be making between $960 - $1152. I guess many EFL teachers make about that much. (I realize some make much more.)
As others have said, if you live in a low-cost country, $8/hour is not a terrible wage.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
LarssonCrew



Joined: 06 Jun 2009
Posts: 1288

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most Chinese online schools will pay you $20-25 an hour. Tax free.

I was thinking in the future of living in (insert cheap country that is thought beautiful) and filling my time with 30 hours a week of their classes. That would equal $3000 a month.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
suphanburi



Joined: 20 Mar 2014
Posts: 823

PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LarssonCrew wrote:
Most Chinese online schools will pay you $20-25 an hour. Tax free.

I was thinking in the future of living in (insert cheap country that is thought beautiful) and filling my time with 30 hours a week of their classes. That would equal $3000 a month.


The problem then becomes a visa issue ... long stays in any one country as a digital nomad have their own set of problems... eg: in many of those cheap to live in Asian countries you cannot do banking without a work or residence visa so it is more than simply a simple matter of doing a border hop or quick visa run for a new TR visa.

.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
creeper1



Joined: 24 Aug 2010
Posts: 455
Location: New Taipei City, Taiwan

PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’d like to see someone making 3000 US dollars a month online. Somehow I don’t see it happening. And even if they did then I’d say it would not last. I think pay and conditions will deteriorate.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Jmbf



Joined: 29 Jun 2014
Posts: 589

PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

creeper1 wrote:
I’d like to see someone making 3000 US dollars a month online. Somehow I don’t see it happening. And even if they did then I’d say it would not last. I think pay and conditions will deteriorate.


USD 3000 / month would be on the high end but not impossible. If memory serves LarssonCrew has consistently reported earning approx USD 2400-2500 / month from his online work. And that's in addition to his 'main' teaching job. So I'd assume that someone in his position could earn USD 3000 if they focused just on online work on a full-time basis.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Online Teaching Forum All times are GMT
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Page 2 of 3

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2016 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

Teaching Jobs in China
Teaching Jobs in China