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scot47



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They treated me well at KFUPM - especially when I needed open heart surgery at Al-Sa'ad Hospital in Dhahran in 2004. I survived. They were nice to me.
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sicklyman



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

in fact you lasted longer than the hospital you recovered in...
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eslteacher2014



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
They treated me well at KFUPM - especially when I needed open heart surgery at Al-Sa'ad Hospital in Dhahran in 2004. I survived. They were nice to me.


Hi Scot

A lot of expats I know here in Ksa usually do their serious medical procedures outside. How was the experience of doing a major operation in Saudi?
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sicklyman



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eslteacher2014 wrote:
How was the experience of doing a major operation in Saudi?

whatever scot47 may say in response to your question, it won't be any use to you in terms of generalising to other Saudi hospitals. He was at the Saad Specialist Hospital in Khobar which was, until it closed last year, probably the best hospital in the country and one which very few English teachers had access to via their employers' health plans.

In general, I think you'd be best to avoid the kinds of hospitals the average teacher has access to in Saudi for major operations like scot47's.

For more on the latest on the Saad Hospital scandal see

http://www.arabnews.com/node/987407/saudi-arabia

and

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-arrests/saudi-businessman-in-debt-dispute-released-from-detention-sources-idUSKBN1EL163
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 2003/4 I had some surprises. I was told in Dhahran that I had Coronary Heart Disease and that i needed a bypass. I got a second opinion in Bulgaria, where I lived at the time. That was the first surprise and I really did not want to believe that I needed heart surgery.

The second surprise was when I was told that I could have the operation in Dhahran.. A very competent team of South Africans of different ethnicities carried it out. I remember particularly the two nubile Zulu nurses who looked after me in intensive care. And the English South African surgeon who led the team.

My operation was a success. Bill Clinton had one at the same time. He had to go back and have his redone. I told my students at KFUPM that this proved that Saudi hospitals were better than those in the USA. My joke gained me several brownie points with my cynical students.

My treatment and hospital stay was covered by Health Insurance which was voluntary. A group of us at KFUPM agreed to pay a few hundred a month for good health cover through a broker. In subsequent years the boiker had to give up because not enough teachers at KFUPM were prepared to pay for proper health insurance. To me this was a reflection on the negative attitude of the skinflints and 500-clubbers who were my colleagues in that place.

For those without health insurance treatment was available at the University Teaching Hospital. I visited people there and would not opt for any treatment there. Certainly not for open-heart surgery. To get treatment in the University Teaching Hospital it was, in my day, necessary to arrange intervention from the Dean or Rector at very high level. Even with that, treatment for dependants was routinely declined.

I am sorry that al-Sa'ad Hospital is now closed. It did seem too good to last. The story from my past is also a reminder to me and others of the perils of making MONEY the most important thing in your life. Too mean to get medical cover ? Be prepared to pay the ultimate price,


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dragonpiwo



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:11 pm    Post subject: erm Reply with quote

It's not the VAT I worry about. In the GCC as a whole it's the tax they put on things expats like doing. Paid 11 quid for a Guiness the other day, Skype now blocked in the UAE. Expats foodstuffs extortionate. Silly rental prices even when buildings are half empty. Cigarettes doubled in price this year and soft drinks went up 50%.In the UAE this 5% VAT got added at every level of the supply chain it seems.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dragonpiwo wrote:
In the GCC as a whole it's the tax they put on things expats like doing. Paid 11 quid for a Guiness the other day, Skype now blocked in the UAE. Expats foodstuffs extortionate. Silly rental prices even when buildings are half empty. Cigarettes doubled in price this year and soft drinks went up 50%.In the UAE...

The UAE? Beer prices generally aren't a concern to expats in Saudi Arabia. Rolling Eyes

scot47 wrote:
My treatment and hospital stay was covered bu Health Insurance which was voluntary. A group of us at KFUPM agreed to pay a few hundred a month for good health cover through a broker. In subsequent years the boiker had to give up because not enough teachers at KFUPM were prepared to pay for proper health insurance. To me this was a reflection on the negative attitude of the skinflints and 500-clubbers who were my colleagues in that place.

Buying additional health insurance coverage above what KFUPM (or any other employer) offers is good advice, especially if one's health isn't stellar.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nomad, you persuade the misers that are pervasive in the region.
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siologen



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:16 am    Post subject: re: uae sounding like a crap shoot! Reply with quote

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Paid 11 quid for a Guiness the other day, Skype now blocked in the UAE. Expats foodstuffs extortionate. Silly rental prices even when buildings are half empty. Cigarettes doubled in price this year and soft drinks went up 50%.In the UAE this 5% VAT got added at every level of the supply chain it seems.


Well that sounds crap, sorry to hear that, but I wager you must have a lucrative position that outweighs the bad points? Seems like even Saudi may be better for savings for me, as I can manage without overpriced drinks for a 6 month stint or so. Thanks for filling us all in! Add in a bit of this:

https://www.thenational.ae/uae/government/uae-s-new-security-checks-for-expats-will-ensure-a-safer-emirates-fnc-member-says-1.694142

And to use american english, it's a crap shoot baby!!! Perhaps if it was not for the new check rules from ones homeland, and the VAT introduction, the UAE would still be a good place for most ESL teachers.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always thought KSA was better than the Emirates.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
I always thought KSA was better than the Emirates.

Only for males...

Definitely NOT for females.

VS
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