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Non Sequitur
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| nimadecaomei wrote: |
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| To quote the name of a uni and the pay rate without mention of qualifications required doesn't help newbes who may be browsing the forum. |
How is that true? It gives them the names of places to inquire. Many newbies are reluctant to apply for positions with stated quals above what they hold. The truth is many of these places end up needing staff "now" and the quals can be overlooked. Many of them also support staff in obtaining needed or further quals once hired. You never know until you contact them and ask. |
Reality check.
Accepting lower than advertised quals is at the margins. A school requiring a PhD will take an MA Hons at a pinch not a high school grad with a 120-hour ESOL Cert.
The lower qualified entry-level FTs should be hard at work approching provincial vocationals and lower-ranked universities, not UK-partnered outfits like Nottingham etc.
We do newbes no favours by diverting then from the reality of getting that first job in China. |
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nimadecaomei
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| I would not call it diverting attention. It does not take much effort to send out letters of intent and CVs over a spread (even including places you are slightly below the qualifications for). It is worth a try, takes about 2-3 minutes to email an application to a job opening. |
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Non Sequitur
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:14 am Post subject: |
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(even including places you are slightly below the qualifications for).
This a big walk back from where you were a few posts ago. 'Slightly below'.
It's the marginal situations that are worth going for - not the newbes trying their luck at Nottingham. |
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nimadecaomei
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| nimadecaomei wrote: |
| Non Sequitur wrote: |
| To quote the name of a uni and the pay rate without mention of qualifications required doesn't help newbes who may be browsing the forum. |
How is that true? It gives them the names of places to inquire. Many newbies are reluctant to apply for positions with stated quals above what they hold. The truth is many of these places end up needing staff "now" and the quals can be overlooked. Many of them also support staff in obtaining needed or further quals once hired. You never know until you contact them and ask. |
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Non Sequitur
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NiHaoDaJia
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| I think it is not a big difference. The keys for oral English are native speaker, bachelor degree, and TEFL certificate. For topics such as literature, writing, and so on, Chinese students can best learn from Chinese teachers. But it is good to have foreign teachers for oral English instruction. |
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cormac
Joined: 04 Nov 2008
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| NiHaoDaJia wrote: |
| I think it is not a big difference. The keys for oral English are native speaker, bachelor degree, and TEFL certificate. For topics such as literature, writing, and so on, Chinese students can best learn from Chinese teachers. But it is good to have foreign teachers for oral English instruction. |
When the Chinese teachers have good English themselves, or have received less "traditional" training, then I'd agree with you.
However, in my experience, Chinese university teachers begin their careers with decent English but due to the environment they work/live in, that standard drops dramatically within the first few years of teaching. I could see the same happening for native speakers. Dumbing down of the language on multiple levels, although it's worse for the Chinese teachers.
Then add in the factor that Chinese teachers are often given a position not due to their ability or educational background, but simply to gain favor with someone in the teachers family, or whatever other reason that might crop up. Chinese universities are littered with 'teachers' who should never have become teachers, and have little desire to be teachers except to provide a certain level of status.
Chinese teachers should be better at teaching writing, literature, etc than foreign teachers but generally they're not. There are plenty of exceptions since it's a damn big country but most universities I've encountered here tend to follow the same ratio of good teachers vs opportunists. .  |
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Elicit
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| NiHaoDaJia wrote: |
| I think it is not a big difference. The keys for oral English are native speaker, bachelor degree, and TEFL certificate. For topics such as literature, writing, and so on, Chinese students can best learn from Chinese teachers. But it is good to have foreign teachers for oral English instruction. |
To teach writing one needs to be able to write. To teach literature one needs to be able to think critically. The end. |
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Non Sequitur
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A former student (English Major) explained to me the literature content of her course which was taught by a Chinese.
Various significant poets like Auden. Dickens and Shakespeare.
One class assignment she had was to prepare and present a critique on Shylock. |
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twowheel
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It's good to hear that there are good opportunities out there that are respectable and well-paying.
Warm regards,
twowheel |
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