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aliasrachel



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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 6:38 am    Post subject: Re: Raytheon in Afghanistan Reply with quote

bertonneau wrote:
A buddy of mine told me that his friends are making 145,000 a year with Raytheon. He worked there and said he loved it. Afghanis are apparently much more disciplined than lets say Saudis the average GCC national according to him. If you like a bit of chaos something to think about. If you're a typical ESL job board whiner you'll never make it though. Got to be ready to be in a scene from CNN that we see on a daily basis almost from that part of the world.


Definitely not a whiner. I've lived in Saudi Arabia (3 years) and in Kosovo not too long after the war.
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spanglish



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Raytheon in Afghanistan Reply with quote

aliasrachel wrote:
bertonneau wrote:
A buddy of mine told me that his friends are making 145,000 a year with Raytheon. He worked there and said he loved it. Afghanis are apparently much more disciplined than lets say Saudis the average GCC national according to him. If you like a bit of chaos something to think about. If you're a typical ESL job board whiner you'll never make it though. Got to be ready to be in a scene from CNN that we see on a daily basis almost from that part of the world.


Definitely not a whiner. I've lived in Saudi Arabia (3 years) and in Kosovo not too long after the war.


Good luck if you decide to take it. I'm considering an offer stateside that's managing education programs for folks about to depart for Afghanistan. Surprisingly good money. They liked my Libya experience.
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whatalife



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first thing you should teach them is that the people are called Afghans not Afghanis, which is the currency.
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morningcoffee



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:23 am    Post subject: Raytheon for an Australian citizen? Reply with quote

So I was interested in applying for the ELT position with Raytheon in Kabul. I have 10+ years experience, have worked in immigration detention centres and have Masters in Applied Linguistics (TESOL) so I feel I'm pretty qualified. I am from Australia so I'm wondering if not being a US citizen would automatically rule me out.

This requirement from the job ad doesn't bode well: As required, must be able to attend and pass USG deployment requirements at CONUS Replacement Center (CRC), Fort Bliss, Texas or equivalent location.

But the job ad doesn't stipulate that the job is only open to US citizens...

Just wondering if anyone who's done the ELT thing at Raytheon knows of non-US citizens having jobs there?
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:42 am    Post subject: Re: Raytheon for an Australian citizen? Reply with quote

morningcoffee wrote:
But the job ad doesn't stipulate that the job is only open to US citizens...

Just wondering if anyone who's done the ELT thing at Raytheon knows of non-US citizens having jobs there?

Right above Required Education, the ad states: "Must have a US passport with at least 6 months validity from hire date"
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morningcoffee



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:18 am    Post subject: Re: Raytheon for an Australian citizen? Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
morningcoffee wrote:
But the job ad doesn't stipulate that the job is only open to US citizens...

Just wondering if anyone who's done the ELT thing at Raytheon knows of non-US citizens having jobs there?

Right above Required Education, the ad states: "Must have a US passport with at least 6 months validity from hire date"


Right you are. I saw an earlier posting of the job which didn't have the US passport requirement. Alas.
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dragonpiwo



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 3:14 pm    Post subject: erm Reply with quote

Take it from me. Working in a war zone is not all it's cracked up to be. Twice I had to flee from Libya. Don't recommend it. Gunfire is scary shit.
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spanglish



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: erm Reply with quote

dragonpiwo wrote:
Take it from me. Working in a war zone is not all it's cracked up to be. Twice I had to flee from Libya. Don't recommend it. Gunfire is scary shit.


Same
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applied linguist



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raytheon has a long history of anti-intellectualism, in spite of askig engineering applicants for their gpa, and in spite of punishing their CEO for plagiarism. They seem to delight in rejecting over-qualified English teachers. They prefer the useful idiot. They want people who barely meet the requirements, really, but who are very politically correct. They still seem to be trying to please Hillary. And once that type gets her foot in the door, she will do whatever it takes, stab anybody in the back, to stay on the gravy train.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Experience and observation in the region taught me that ALL military outfits dislike "schoolies" and intellectuals.

That can wear you down after a while. Stay in Civvy Street. The money is not so good but your mental health will be better. It is stressful being in the region. Working with a bunch of gungho military types will not improve your life.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/civvy-street
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2buckets



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked for military "outfits" in the USA, (Naval flight training, Atlantic Fleet), Iran, ( Air Force & Army, Bell Helicopter), Saudi Arabia, (Air Force, Lockheed Aircraft C-130 & Presidency of Civil Aviation), the UAE (Air Defense).

I did not find that kind of bias at all. Being para-military "outfits", they were well organized and the administrators were "westerners" who were goal oriented and tended to run a "tight ship". Also there were never problems with visas or being paid on time.

Granted, these "outfits" probably attracted a higher level of students, unlike the Saudi National Guard or TINS, so the job was not that stressful. A big motivator for these students was the possibility of follow on training in the USA or the UK.
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desertdawg



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with 2buckets.

Living with ex military trainers was also good. They were excellent at organising facilities and events. I had a lot more fun when socialising with them rather than the "academics" and "schoolies"
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scot47



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not my experience looking at BAe in action - or its predecessor Airworks. Bad place to be Maybe the US outfits are better ? I suspect not I knew some of the guys at Lockheed and some of those at Raytheorn.


Civvy Street for me - any day !
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desertdawg



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I play golf. If it hadn't been for the ingenuity and hard work of ex military personnel, I wouldn't have enjoyed the desert battle in Kuwait, Bahrain, KSA, UAE, Qatar and Oman.

I actually worked for BAE in several KSA locations. Yes, the teaching could be hard, but we played hard too. The sports and recreational facilities were second to none in KSA. In my opinion, much better to be on one of their compounds than the sterile one on offer at KFUPM.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Different strokes for different folks. The ethos of the English Public School ("Work hard, play hard") was not for me
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