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desertfox
Joined: 14 Jun 2015 Posts: 120
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:53 pm Post subject: Embarrassment at Kfupm |
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Management embarrassment at Kfupm this week. A student was caught cheating on an industrial scale during a TOEFL exam. He had managed to photograph with his phone the whole of the test, and had sent it to other members of a What’s Up group who were in the process of sending him back the answers, when he was caught by a teacher.
The teacher alerted the management who promptly tried to save face by blaming the teacher for not being vigilant enough.
Clearly not a great week for “the best university in the Middle East.” |
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nomad soul
Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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desertfox wrote: |
The teacher alerted the management who promptly tried to save face by blaming the teacher for not being vigilant enough.
Clearly not a great week for “the best university in the Middle East.” |
I'm siding with the university on this one. It was the teacher's responsibility to monitor the classroom to ensure there was no cheating. |
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veiledsentiments
Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:47 am Post subject: |
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I wonder how many of his friends sent him the wrong answers.
And I'd say the teacher was negligent if he had managed to photo the whole exam.
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hash
Joined: 17 Dec 2014 Posts: 456 Location: Wadi Jinn
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:47 am Post subject: |
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Another illusionary trek down fantasy lane. All kinds of things raise red flags as to the veracity of this “story”:
1- I’m sure “a” student has cheated on just about every exam ever given at KFUPM or at any other university, Saudi or otherwise……therefore, this is not such a startling incident meriting a full-blown “discussion” on this board (or any other board).
2- The story-line lacks details and is simply not credible as described. I’ve no doubt “a student cheated” and “got caught”…..that’s all I’m willing to believe.
3- For example, the LISTENING component of the exam could only be answered IF the “What’s Up” group COULD ACTUALLY HEAR THE QUESTION that had to be answered……obviously, this could not have happened.
4- If there was a WRITING COMPONENT in this exam, again, obviously no outside group could have helped with this.
5- Most of these kinds of exams are TIMED….that is, the student has to be working in a certain section of the exam and is unable to go backward or forward in the exam booklet. To be able to “copy the entire” exam under these conditions is simply not credible.
6- That a student would have such a “devoted following” among comrades “on the outside” of the exam location that they would wait for the exam to start, receive the information, study the information and almost instantly report back to the “cheater” is again, simply unbelievable. It just couldn’t have happened. Similar incidents have occurred all over the world, of course, but there’s been a time lag of about a day or at the very least a few hours before the event took place. In our case here, the SEND and RETURN had to be almost instantaneous…..absurd. Fiction on stilts.
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RedLightning
Joined: 08 Aug 2015 Posts: 137 Location: United States
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:52 am Post subject: |
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I would only fault the teacher in that he bothered to report the incident at all |
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In the heat of the moment
Joined: 22 May 2015 Posts: 393 Location: Italy
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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While I was in Saudi the students got better and better at cheating on traditional, written, multiple-choice and yes/no questions. I suspected the best students had photographic equipment secreted in their headdress*, the receivers of the correct answers - the majority of the students - usually had their phones between their legs in a fold of their thawb (and you don't really want to be staring at their crotches, so this was pretty effective).
*Or could use their phones to take photos of their papers with 5/6 sets of teachers' eyes on them.
There were multiple cases of students being found out over the years, and I expect the number not caught was many, many times more. The teachers were never disciplined for this as we all know how good students are at being sneaky little bar stewards. |
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nomad soul
Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Posts: 11454 Location: The real world
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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In the heat of the moment wrote: |
While I was in Saudi the students got better and better at cheating on traditional, written, multiple-choice and yes/no questions.
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There were multiple cases of students being found out over the years, and I expect the number not caught was many, many times more. The teachers were never disciplined for this as we all know how good students are at being sneaky little bar stewards. |
Which is why some Saudi universities changed to computer-based testing. Those still using paper are behind the times. |
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