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Cert. IV in TESOL vs. CELTA?

 
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migeulito



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:02 am    Post subject: Cert. IV in TESOL vs. CELTA? Reply with quote

I've come across mention of a Certificate IV in TESOL in these forums and on some ESL schools' websites. I just read a course description of the Cert. IV and it sounds like it covers much the same area as that in a CELTA.

What's the difference? Is one a continuation of the other? Is one certificate preferred over the other? In Australia? Around the world?

Always grateful for your thoughts.
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stillnosheep



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Celta courses are externally validated, backed by Cambridge University and are internatioanlly recognised.

Other courses may include similar content, observed teaching practice, and be of equal quality, but they may not be externally validated and may have limited international recognition.
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Super Mario



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some are Post Graduate courses from recognised universities, available only to first degree holders.
CELTA, and others, are open to anyone with enough money.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most Celta courses are only open to graduates, or those who are able to demonstrate that they are of graduate standard, whatever that means.
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migeulito



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So six of one, two threes of the other?
Is this analogous to the DELTA vs. MA Applied Linguistics dichotomy, only at a notch down the learning ladder?

Would the Cert. IV be recognized outside of Australia?

Thanks for the interesting replies so far. Smile
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stillnosheep



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Delta and an MA in applied Linguistics are entirely different beasts.

Only the Cambridge Celta and Trinity Tesol have so far achieved world-wide recognition. But if you think that the Certificate IV is a good course you could highlight it's contents when applying to prospective employers.
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Super Mario



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CELTA may help you get a language school job in Australia, but ELICOS and state/private school work would need a PGCTESOL at minimum, and of course a teaching qualification. A PGTESOL is one semester full time, delivered by a tertiary institute. A CELTA is one month, delivered by private providers. The maths should tell you which has the higher status. This is not to say the CELTA is inferior in content or delivery though, as many experienced teachers speak highly of it.
The PGC qualifies Australian residents for study loans and income support: I'm not sure about CELTA.
I did the PGC while overseas, and didn't have to repay until I was back home in full time work.
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lozwich



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a different kind of Certificate IV which applies to teaching adults, and anywhere outside Australia that I mention it to employers, my remarks are met with a "You've got a what??". Its completely useless outside Australia, even if I give a full description of everything that is covered on the course.

I'd go with the CELTA if I were you.
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Super Mario



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So there you go: it depends where you want to work.
I got a job application package for an ELICOS position at an Adelaide uni. today. Minimum qual. was a post-grad TESOL, preferably at masters level. The salary is $48k; not great, but not bad.
CELTA is good for working the EFL market. If you want to work in an English speaking country, take the PG pathway.
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moot point



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PG means "post-graduate"?
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