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Do the moo shoo
Joined: 23 Jul 2006
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Location: Leicester
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 Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: You're all going to beat me to death... |
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.. for asking the same obvious and boring questions but there is too much info through all the pages and my eyes will boggle if I read it all!
Basically, I have just finished my A levels and am planning to do a TEFL course sometime in either September/October.
I would love to end up in France, although am looking to travel a bit beforehand.
I have lots of questions, so I'm going to number them and make it easier!
1. I don't have a degree-will this make it harder for me to find a job in France, or is work based on how much experience you have?
(If so, how do you get a foothold into the world of TEFL?)
2. Is there anything in particluar I will need to be able to move to France? I'm an EU citizen, but do I still have to apply for a work permit?
3. What's the pay like-I'm planning on specializing in one area (Possible teaching English to businessmen) is there one particular area within TEFL that is particularly lucrative in France?
4. I'm also wondering where to do my TEFL course-I know that Trinity and Cert are the most recognised, but are there Oxbridges of the TEFL world-and if so, which is most valued in France?
I think that's everything for the time being. I am sorry to cluster up the forum with the same old questions-but I need to know!
(And most of all, I need my eyesight!)
Cheers.
Millie. |
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rogan
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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Location: at home, in France
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:16 am Post subject: |
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Finishing your A levels - so you're 18/19 ? ? ?
Teaching businessmen at that age will be difficult as your age and with your lack of experience (you are thinking about doing a 4 week TEFL course)
A TEFL Cert or a CELTA or a TESOL do NOT qualify you as a teacher And they are all fairly useless in France except in a couple of chain schools like Inlingua, who might accept them.
Probably the best advice I would give is to go to the local job centre/Careers adviser and ask for job vacancies in Europe. There should be a person who is nominated The European Adviser. When you are registered unemployed you can get lots of travel grants etc to go to "Europe" to find a job.
But this is all old stuff - use the search feature between FAG and Memberlist just above ..................... as a teacher you'll do anawful lot of reading through stuff - maybe this would be a good time to practise !
Incidentally, here's a student question to a teacher :-
"Why do we say A tall tree' and A high mountain? Why can't we say A high man ?" |
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Perpetual Traveller
Joined: 29 Aug 2005
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Location: In the Kak, Japan
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:38 am Post subject: Re: You're all going to beat me to death... |
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| Do the moo shoo wrote: |
1. I don't have a degree-will this make it harder for me to find a job in France, or is work based on how much experience you have?
(If so, how do you get a foothold into the world of TEFL?)
2. Is there anything in particluar I will need to be able to move to France? I'm an EU citizen, but do I still have to apply for a work permit?
3. What's the pay like-I'm planning on specializing in one area (Possible teaching English to businessmen) is there one particular area within TEFL that is particularly lucrative in France?
4. I'm also wondering where to do my TEFL course-I know that Trinity and Cert are the most recognised, but are there Oxbridges of the TEFL world-and if so, which is most valued in France? |
1. Much harder
2. You will still need a work permit
3. Crap
4. Trinity or Celta are the most well known but you might be better off taking a course with a school that offers employment to graduates.
PT |
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Do the moo shoo
Joined: 23 Jul 2006
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Location: Leicester
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| rogan wrote: |
Finishing your A levels - so you're 18/19 ? ? ?
Teaching businessmen at that age will be difficult as your age and with your lack of experience (you are thinking about doing a 4 week TEFL course)
A TEFL Cert or a CELTA or a TESOL do NOT qualify you as a teacher And they are all fairly useless in France except in a couple of chain schools like Inlingua, who might accept them.
Probably the best advice I would give is to go to the local job centre/Careers adviser and ask for job vacancies in Europe. There should be a person who is nominated The European Adviser. When you are registered unemployed you can get lots of travel grants etc to go to "Europe" to find a job.
But this is all old stuff - use the search feature between *beep* and Memberlist just above ..................... as a teacher you'll do anawful lot of reading through stuff - maybe this would be a good time to practise !
Incidentally, here's a student question to a teacher :-
"Why do we say A tall tree' and A high mountain? Why can't we say A high man ?" |
Cheers for your reply.
I won't be specialising for a while! I know how hard it is to get on to the ladder of employment so I'm not thinking about teaching business for aaages! I'm also not stupid, there's no way that any one would employ an 18 year old to do that sort of work. However I do have a lot of experience teaching in schools so I'm aiming to start there and work my way upwards. I'm aware its going to be hard work but I'm a determined bugger, so I will get there.
I was thinking of taking the course in Bangkok as a job is guaranteed at the end, just worried that other countries won't be as impressed by that course as they will if I did it in London. (Can anybody advise me about this??)
I like the idea of working abroad, I suppose you mean not doing a TEFL to begin with, but I want to get the course done this year and start asap.
(Ps. No need to get patronising about reading everything else, that stuff can't be directly applied to me! Was just asking *sob*)
PT-Thanks for your blunt imput! To the point, I like it.
Do you know of nayone else who doesn't have a degree who managed to clamber up the TEFL ladder? If so, could you pass on their name etc so I can pm them and talk to them?
Also, do you know specifically of any other schools (Aside from the Bangkok one)
Thanks for all your help.
Do the moo shoo. |
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rogan
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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Millie, you posted on the France forum, saying you wanted to work in France.
My comments only relate to France (or the EU ref the European Adviser at the job centre).
If you want to work in other countries then a TEFL cert will be useful. But, beware! Many countries REQUIRE a Degree before you can get a working visa.
(Incidentally, generally it is incorrect to start a sentence with BUT. Can you explain why it's OK in this case? Because some student will ask.)
Most of Asia requires a Degree before becoming a TEFL teacher.
Take a look at some of the Eastern European countries. A Degree is mostly not essential (but it does help).
Take a look at Language Link or BKC in Russia.
Maybe Poland or Ukraine could also be interesting.
Sorry to pop your bubble, but it's better to know before you spend ��� on flights, accomodation and a tefl course (note the lower case letters here) and then find that you are unemployable.
I've been in France for 15+ years, Russia, North Africa and the Middle East. If you want specific info about Asia I suggest that you post on seperate country forums.
Remember that your (lack of) age may be a handicap.
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Do the moo shoo
Joined: 23 Jul 2006
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Location: Leicester
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| Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| rogan wrote: |
Millie, you posted on the France forum, saying you wanted to work in France.
My comments only relate to France (or the EU ref the European Adviser at the job centre).
If you want to work in other countries then a TEFL cert will be useful. But, beware! Many countries REQUIRE a Degree before you can get a working visa.
(Incidentally, generally it is incorrect to start a sentence with BUT. Can you explain why it's OK in this case? Because some student will ask.)
Most of Asia requires a Degree before becoming a TEFL teacher.
Take a look at some of the Eastern European countries. A Degree is mostly not essential (but it does help).
Take a look at Language Link or BKC in Russia.
Maybe Poland or Ukraine could also be interesting.
Sorry to pop your bubble, but it's better to know before you spend ��� on flights, accomodation and a tefl course (note the lower case letters here) and then find that you are unemployable.
I've been in France for 15+ years, Russia, North Africa and the Middle East. If you want specific info about Asia I suggest that you post on seperate country forums.
Remember that your (lack of) age may be a handicap.
And, you didn't answer my question |
I only want comments relating to France, but am just seeing whether anyone else can ship in with anything else.
Which other countries require a Degree before allowing me to have a Visa??
(I have no idea why it is ok in that case to use a BUT at the beginning of the sentence, perhaps because it is exclamatory? Please enlighten me.)
When you say most of Asia, that means not all of Asia, right? So I have a chance at least??
I really like Hungary and the Czech Republic-would they perhaps be better to start off in?
I'm aware I need to do research, hence my every waking hour not spent at work (Trying to scrape together all the money I need) is spent trawling the internet and talking to people and reading information to try to find the best course etc. I believe that experience is most helpful, hence why I am asking the 'wise' ones. (I also have no socail life at the moment, but it's going to be worth it.)
As I said before; I'm no fool, I accept that my age is going to be a problem but I'm willing to try. It might be that after a couple of years I hate it, and decide that I want to do something else, in which case I can return to England to take a Degree, or who knows? I am young, and although that can be a problem, it's also an advantage. If it all goes horribly wrong I have other options and therefore can pick myself up and move on.
About the question- I have no idea. Hopefully I'll learn how to answer such questions through experience and through the TEFL course. How would you answer such a question? |
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3plus1
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Since when did you need a work permit to work in France if you're British?
You don't even need a carte de sejour.
Now, I don't rate your chances getting proper EFL work in France with only A-levels (good luck this week, by the way!  ) and possibly a tefl cert, but you can probably pick up some private lessons without much bother. It's not brilliant money, so I wouldn't rely on it as a main source of income. In a small town, you're only going to be asking for about 15 euros an hour. A big town is another story, but remember, there will also be more competition.
Can I just ask: was one of those A-levels in French? If you're planning on going to a city other than Paris, you'll definitely need the French language skills before heading over. On the plus side, your French will improve dramatically from living over there, assuming the basics are already there.
The job centres are usually a bit crap, especially with regards to jobs in Europe. By all means, pop down and see if anyone knows about travel grants, but for actual jobs, look up the French job centre site directly: www.anpe.fr
If there's a city you're particularly interested in, try contacting the local BIJ for a sympathetic ear. Type "bureau d'information jeunesse" along with the town name into French google and you're away. Most BIJs offer help getting jobs to younger people (and I'm not being patronising, I'm not that much older than you!) and will even help you sort out your French CV. It's more useful to see them in person, but maye you'll get lucky and they'll talk to you by email. There's always SkypeOut too - cheap rates there.
With no actual experience teaching English for a meaningful length of time, and at the age you are, you're going to find it hard getting a foot in and I imagine you'll have to start working with one of those horrible English camps for French brats.
But... Good luck. Do not book a plane ticket to France in the hopes you'll find a job when you get there (one of my mates actually tried that, didn't work AND he's fluent in French), but also, don't give up. You'll find something.
Bonne chance!
Biz! |
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Deicide
Joined: 29 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| 3plus1 wrote: |
Since when did you need a work permit to work in France if you're British?
You don't even need a carte de sejour.
Now, I don't rate your chances getting proper EFL work in France with only A-levels (good luck this week, by the way! ) and possibly a tefl cert, but you can probably pick up some private lessons without much bother. It's not brilliant money, so I wouldn't rely on it as a main source of income. In a small town, you're only going to be asking for about 15 euros an hour. A big town is another story, but remember, there will also be more competition.
Can I just ask: was one of those A-levels in French? If you're planning on going to a city other than Paris, you'll definitely need the French language skills before heading over. On the plus side, your French will improve dramatically from living over there, assuming the basics are already there.
The job centres are usually a bit crap, especially with regards to jobs in Europe. By all means, pop down and see if anyone knows about travel grants, but for actual jobs, look up the French job centre site directly: www.anpe.fr
If there's a city you're particularly interested in, try contacting the local BIJ for a sympathetic ear. Type "bureau d'information jeunesse" along with the town name into French google and you're away. Most BIJs offer help getting jobs to younger people (and I'm not being patronising, I'm not that much older than you!) and will even help you sort out your French CV. It's more useful to see them in person, but maye you'll get lucky and they'll talk to you by email. There's always SkypeOut too - cheap rates there.
With no actual experience teaching English for a meaningful length of time, and at the age you are, you're going to find it hard getting a foot in and I imagine you'll have to start working with one of those horrible English camps for French brats.
But... Good luck. Do not book a plane ticket to France in the hopes you'll find a job when you get there (one of my mates actually tried that, didn't work AND he's fluent in French), but also, don't give up. You'll find something.
Bonne chance!
Biz! |
Construction work seems to be an option for him...non? |
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Do the moo shoo
Joined: 23 Jul 2006
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Location: Leicester
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| 3plus1 wrote: |
Since when did you need a work permit to work in France if you're British?
You don't even need a carte de sejour.
Now, I don't rate your chances getting proper EFL work in France with only A-levels (good luck this week, by the way! ) and possibly a tefl cert, but you can probably pick up some private lessons without much bother. It's not brilliant money, so I wouldn't rely on it as a main source of income. In a small town, you're only going to be asking for about 15 euros an hour. A big town is another story, but remember, there will also be more competition.
Can I just ask: was one of those A-levels in French? If you're planning on going to a city other than Paris, you'll definitely need the French language skills before heading over. On the plus side, your French will improve dramatically from living over there, assuming the basics are already there.
The job centres are usually a bit crap, especially with regards to jobs in Europe. By all means, pop down and see if anyone knows about travel grants, but for actual jobs, look up the French job centre site directly: www.anpe.fr
If there's a city you're particularly interested in, try contacting the local BIJ for a sympathetic ear. Type "bureau d'information jeunesse" along with the town name into French google and you're away. Most BIJs offer help getting jobs to younger people (and I'm not being patronising, I'm not that much older than you!) and will even help you sort out your French CV. It's more useful to see them in person, but maye you'll get lucky and they'll talk to you by email. There's always SkypeOut too - cheap rates there.
With no actual experience teaching English for a meaningful length of time, and at the age you are, you're going to find it hard getting a foot in and I imagine you'll have to start working with one of those horrible English camps for French brats.
But... Good luck. Do not book a plane ticket to France in the hopes you'll find a job when you get there (one of my mates actually tried that, didn't work AND he's fluent in French), but also, don't give up. You'll find something.
Bonne chance!
Biz! |
Yes, one of my A levels is in French. I did some work over there last year and picked up the language really well, it's one of my skills (Maths and Science are not!)
Thanks for the advice, I'll have a look. It's hard to make the right choice but I'm determined and hopefully, all will go well.
I am young, and so am planning on perhaps doing the course next year, or starting work next year as being closer to 19 will probably look better! It's amazing how much a year makes.
I'm currently in a really good full time job, putting away as much money as I can so that I will have enough until I'm settled, and if anything goes wrong I'm not going to be up poop creek without a paddle! |
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