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Glenlivet
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 Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:04 pm Post subject: Inlingua Civitavecchia |
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| Has anyone any experience/knowledge of this school? I know Inlingua is a franchise operation, is this one decent? Also, could someone enlighten me as to what a national contract salary is please? Doesn't sound too extravagant! |
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SueH
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| Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Can't help on the specific company or branch, but I believe there are national contracts for a whole host of jobs which lay out minimums. The issue, I seem to recall, is that the schools try to categorise you at a lower level than the skills required for your job. So instead of instructor they employ you as a clerk or toilet cleaner or summat..
What grade does the contract talk about? Hopefully somebody with a bit more specific knowledge will be along shortly. |
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Glenlivet
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| Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:14 am Post subject: |
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Thanks sueH. There is no specified grade, only national salary contract.
Not too keen on being downgraded to a janitor! |
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SueH
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| Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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Ask them for a draft then.. without being too specific... you might not get what you want but perhaps a bit better than what they are offering. Come back and let us know: I belive there is an alphabetic code for these contracts... But as you will have seen from many posters pay here is pretty pants.
Aha, a quick google - list of contract numbers... get your dictionary out, this should help your Italian... 
http://www.inps.it/servizi/emens/Specifiche/CodiceContratto.htm |
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Teacher in Rome
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With no disrespect intended to anyone working for Inlingua, I have heard that it is a complete headbang. If you like autonomy in your work, it is not the place for you.
I also don't much like Civitavecchia. Just far enough away from Rome to be missing out on everything that goes on there, but just close enough for it not to have much life of its own. It's a big ferry port - that much I can say for it. Easy escape to Sardinia, Sicilia etc.
In four years in Rome, I explored much of the surrounding area, but didn't like any of it as much as I liked Rome. Lazio is pretty much dominated by Rome, so the rest of the province really doesn't count for much.
Sorry if I've offended anyone, but this was my perception. |
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Glenlivet
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:13 am Post subject: |
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Thanks SueH and Teacher in Rome. The autonomy thing does concern me; at the moment we have almost complete autonomy and have only the most basic contact with the school, going back to teaching in a traditional school environment really doesn't appeal. "Pants"pay is also a non-starter 
We are really looking for positions where we work solely in company, as we are currently doing. We would prefer to have work lined up before we leave Poland in July although this is looking less and less likely. There must be a market for experienced business teachers with a strong business background somewhere! |
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Glenlivet
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| SueH wrote: |
Aha, a quick google - list of contract numbers... get your dictionary out, this should help your Italian... |
My Italian doesn't need help - IVF is nearer the mark |
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SueH
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| .. after Polish you'll be up and walking in no time.. |
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Teacher in Rome
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Thanks SueH and Teacher in Rome. The autonomy thing does concern me; at the moment we have almost complete autonomy and have only the most basic contact with the school, going back to teaching in a traditional school environment really doesn't appeal. "Pants"pay is also a non-starter Evil or Very Mad
We are really looking for positions where we work solely in company, as we are currently doing. We would prefer to have work lined up before we leave Poland in July although this is looking less and less likely. There must be a market for experienced business teachers with a strong business background somewhere! |
As I said in a previous thread, getting work lined up before summer for a Sept start is unlikely. Italians just don't plan that far ahead - esp as anything could happen between now and Sept. Who knows which contract will be pulled, which teacher will leave etc. There's no harm in contacting schools now and letting them know you're on your way, even sending your CV and saying you'll call again in Sept. They might even have a project lined up for Sept - you never know. But I wouldn't count on it - that's all.
Re working in-company, this is how lots of schools work. They have a contract with a company, then send teachers there. But the work isn't always secure. You might get a contratto di progetto, or the school might prefer you to have a Partita IVA (vat number) which means you have to jump through bureaucratic hoops. Probably better to get a temp contract for a project first, then see how you want to proceed. One thing to bear in mind is that teaching in Italy is precarious. You are very much at the mercy of a stagnant economy. A lot of people have lost their jobs this year, and nobody expects it to get better soon.
But to find the in-company jobs, you'll need to be in or near a place with lots of companies. Rome / Milan / Turin are the obvious places. In smaller places it's more likely that language schools are looking for teachers willing to teach across the whole range of situations, including at Italian state schools (you'll learn all sorts of interesting lessons in riot control here), recupero lessons (coaching teenagers for school work) etc.
My advice would be to start calling schools now, letting them know of your interest. Come over before Sept, have a drive around and get a feel for various places. Choose one or two in or near a big city, then go through the yellow pages and call all the schools in Sept. Go in and see them, drop off your CV, let them know your specialisations, get to know the schools etc. Take whatever work there is on offer, start to build up contacts, and offer private lessons if necessary. Post messages on uni campuses, learn Italian, and get your face known. It's a bit of a slog, but it does pay off in the end.
A couple of other things you should know. As UK citizens, living here is no problem. But you need health insurance for the first year before you can get on the Italian National Health (ASL) system. Make sure you've got this before you apply for residency. I'm not sure of the exact procedure and requirements, as this is a new one, but the local anagrafe office in the town hall would be able to tell you what you need to do. |
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Glenlivet
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for a very full reply TiR. I know the economic situation isn't good at the moment but I'm hoping that our background will give us a head start. We're going back to the UK tomorrow to buy a van so that we can move all our stuff when we leave here. To be honest, if we haven't got anything lined up when we leave we'll probably head for Spain. We got some fairly promising responses from a couple of schools in Seville, but with the usual "we don't know how many teachers we'll need until September". Italy is nearer than Spain although the weather in the North isn't as good and would make a convenient substitute if work is available.
With regard to your comment on health insurance, we've never taken extra insurance as we carry our UK National Insurance cards (replacement for E111) with us. Doesn't Italy recognise these? |
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Glenlivet
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| Glenlivet wrote: |
| Thanks for a very full reply TiR. |
Sorry, I've just realised that this abbreviation makes you sound like a heavy goods vehicle - not my intention and I'm sure not accurate  |
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SueH
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Glenlivet wrote: |
Italy is nearer than Spain although the weather in the North isn't as good and would make a convenient substitute if work is available.
With regard to your comment on health insurance, we've never taken extra insurance as we carry our UK National Insurance cards (replacement for E111) with us. Doesn't Italy recognise these? |
The skiing is better here though. Try Torino as a city, university, mountains nearby, industry etc..
On the health front the E111 only covers visits up to a certain period, not sure what. Once you have a contract they'll let you have your card, so it's the interim period. As TiR says, it's all changed recently and I had a bit of a scare on this front last summer, but managed to wangle renewal of my card. I think if you are registered unemployed you are also covered, so maybe try that approach.
Apart from that I'd agree with everything TeacherinRome posted. I teach a few classes in primary school and I'm wondering what the riot control is like in middle school! |
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Teacher in Rome
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I know- TiR sounds a bit weird, but it was more hassle than I could stand to change my name / location. So an HGV I remain!
Sue - I do riot control in senior high school. Wouldn't touch scuola media with the proverbial, but I have gritted my teeth through istituto tecnico e commerciale (worst ever), liceo classico (surprisingly lively for classics students), liceo scientifico (ok most of the time, fab some of the time, and dreadful a bit of the time) and professionale. (Much better than ITC, but I got lucky on the classes.) The only thing I'd say is that absolutely every single teacher I've had the pleasure to work with in the state system has been professional, passionate about teaching, and 100% caring about the kids. When there are discipline problems you generally only need look as far as the parents... Sad but true.
Glenlivet - be sure to let us know how you get on and what you decide. Don't hesitate to ask any qu and have fun with the van in Italy. If you're going to be anywhere near Marche PM me!
Happy Easter one and all. |
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Glenlivet
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Happy Easter to one and all. I will indeed let you know where we end up and will get in touch if we "do" Italy again. All advice gratefully received and noted. |
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SueH
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:31 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the tips on riot control! I was phoned up the other day to do supply work at Liceo Scientifico but they wanted English and French and unfortunately although I speak French and can bluff convincingly in it not enough for teaching.
The local 'professionale' school (IPR) is known as Instituto Per Ritardati!
Based on what my colleagues at primary school tell me I'd agree about the parents..
Glenlivet, if you take the Mt Blanc tunnel or the Great St Bernard and then the 'A' road you'll pass my flat, I'm that strategically placed, so PM me and pop in for a cuppa! |
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