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Cardinal Synn · Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 586

Double post - whoops

Cardinal Synn · Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 586

lstamsos · Joined: 14 Nov 2008 Posts: 3

After being home for awhile, I still can't understand how some of the people were barely able to live off of what they made a AEC.

I worked at AEC for 8 months and within that time, I made much more than I was making in the U.S. After the cost of living, I had plenty of money to go out to eat on a regular basis, travel carefree to other countries each break, and still made it out of the country with a $3000 profit. I wasn't living extravagantly, however I wasn't pinching kopeks either.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around this. Just what were you doing with your money? I could understand if you had to support a family or something but just being single? Sometimes after working 12 hour days, I wish I had decided to stay.

kc4real · Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 27 Location: VA, USA

I agree about the money, I work here at AEC now, I think people are crazy saying you can't live on the money here!!!

The only reason i can give is that some people drink a lot, really a lot, and are impulsive with their money!!!

But honestly life is much less stressful here then in the USA, and i never worry about money, instead i am able to plan what I will do with what ever money I save. When i get paid i just through my money in a dresser and it slowly piles up!

I love working here it's great!!!

Fred_Garvin · Joined: 02 Mar 2010 Posts: 7

Here's a few things to think about when you consider AEC.

First, user jonpernick is a recruiter. I heard mentioned that someone thought he was the owner. He is a recruiter, plain and simple. And he is paid a commission for each teacher he hires. He's not in Ukraine, he's in Kosovo.

Second, the rent they charge you is often equal to the rent they pay for the apartment. So, when they charge ONE teacher 1600 UAH for a flat, it's usually the cost of the flat. But when they have 2 teachers in the flat, they are making 1600 UAH.

Third, much of your "salary" is based on bonuses. The bonus system has been changed a number of times, and they look for every excuse NOT to pay your bonuses. "Oh, the moon was blue on Tuesday, No bonuses this month" Wink

Fourth, they do not have permission from the Ukraine Job Center, or any other branch of the government to hire foreign workers. Each and every Native English Teacher working for AEC in Ukraine is illegal. With the exception of those who are permanent residents.

Fifth, the "letter" they will give you to take to a Ukraine consulate in another country to get a visa isn't worth the paper it's printed on. In every case, the latter has been rejected. Why? Because it's not the correct format of letter and they don't have permission to hire you in the first place. In the end you will have to get a standard tourist visa or private invitation visa. Which means you will still have to make more than 1 trip out of the country during your 1 year contract with AEC.

Sixth, in addition to working illegally, you are also living illegally. Under Ukraine law it is the responsibility of the company to register you with OVIR. But, in order for them to do this they have to have legal permission to hire you in the first place. (see note four)

Seventh, they will tell you it is your own responsibility to register with OVIR. you cannot register with OVIR unless you have a valid employment contract from a company with legal permission to hire foreign workers.

While they do have a good program, from the students point of view, most of it is ripped off from other teaching books, and their treatment of Native English Teachers leaves a LOT to be desired.

User jonpernick once said he was scrapping the bottom of the barrel and was having a hard time finding teachers. But the attitude in the Kiev office is that Native English Teachers are a dime a dozen. An easily replaced commodity.

And their turn over of staff tends to prove this.