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gsbcn08080
Joined: 26 Mar 2003 Posts: 73
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 5:23 pm Post subject: Irish people are not allowed to teach in Indonesia |
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A friend of mine has applied for a job in Indonesia and has been told that they cannot accept her because she is Irish and THEY DO NOT SPEAK ENGLISH IN IRELAND.
I do not plan to work there but as curiosity I answered an ad for EF and this is the mail they sent me:
Dear Louise,
I am afraid that Indonesian government regulations do not permit Irish citizens to work as English teachers in Indonesia. Ridiculous but true. Would you be interested in working in China? I have attached some information for your perusal.
Best wishes,
Alex Chevrolle |
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ls650
Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 3484 Location: British Columbia
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Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: Irish people are not allowed to teach in Indonesia |
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Well, that simply isn't true. I work with another teacher from Ireland.
I'll ask him today if there was something special he had to do, or if it was simply a matter of our school bribing the right official... |
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gsbcn08080
Joined: 26 Mar 2003 Posts: 73
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:51 am Post subject: |
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I could not believe it either but the mail I posted was sent to me by the recruitment agency for EF. You can ask them yourself if you like here's the mail address I wrote to.
[email protected] |
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gugelhupf
Joined: 24 Jan 2004 Posts: 575 Location: Jabotabek
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:56 am Post subject: |
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I can definitely confirm that the story EF are telling in the UK is that it is impossible to get a KITAS as an ESL teacher unless you have a UK, US, Canadian, Aus or NZ passport.
I know of foreign nationals holding academic posts in science subjects in Indonesian universities so I suspect there is a way around the issue by employing someone ostensibly to teach something else, and from my limited knowledge of Indonesian officialdom I suspect that a couple of crisp 50,000 ruhpiah notes might be enough to smooth the path! |
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ls650
Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 3484 Location: British Columbia
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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I spoke with my fellow teacher from Ireland. He has family in both Ireland and the UK - and has passports from both countries.
He had to use his UK passport to come here - so it does sound like you're up the creek as far as Indonesia.
Ah well - there are plenty of other Asian countries you CAN teach in... |
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Winmar
Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 125 Location: Melbourne
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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It is indeed the case. It's because English isn't the "official" language in Ireland. If I'm not wrong, it's the same for South Africans. |
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ls650
Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 3484 Location: British Columbia
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Laurent wrote: |
Irish like Aussie.. have a "bizarre" pronunciations of words, and also strange expressions.....
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Eh? I've been told by the students at my school that they find the Irish accent easier to understand than the Aussie accents of the other teachers.
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Since the early 80's Aussie and Irish folks also behaved very badly on Bali Island..... as per being drunk, having large tattoos, smoking pot, also loud at night in the streets......
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I'm sure folks from every country of the world have behaved badly in the streets of Bali. |
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gsbcn08080
Joined: 26 Mar 2003 Posts: 73
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:39 am Post subject: |
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Two things here-
If you ever go to Ireland in summer you will see tons of foreign students there... do you know why? Because Ireland is famous for speaking the best English. I won't comment on American English even though I'm tempted.
Some Irish people may get drunk but in general they are appreciated everywhere and certainly not famous for causing problems. I doubt very much what you said about them causing trouble in Bali, basically I dont believe it.
As other posters said Irish are not "allowed" to teach in Indonesia because they think English is their second language. Some very "cultured" official must have consulted some books and it probably said that Irish is the official language. It says a lot about the cultural level of Indonesia.
As I said in my first post I'm not interested in going to Indonesia I was just curious whether it was true or not. |
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Aramas
Joined: 13 Feb 2004 Posts: 874 Location: Slightly left of Centre
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:34 am Post subject: |
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Personally I consider some Irish regional accents to be among the most beautiful in the English language. I'm not quite sure why someone would think Australian accents contain 'bizzarre pronunciations'. I consider it far less so than a lot of English, Scottish and Welsh regional accents, and like those places, the accent is much broader among the working classes. If 'bizzarre pronunciation' was a problem then Americans certainly wouldn't be allowed to teach English. As an Australian I'm occasionally accused of 'not being a real Australian' (usually by English backpackers), since I don't usually have a broad working class accent , although I can do a reasonable impression of the peasantry if required
I'm listening to Delores O'Riorden and The Cranberries as I type, and I'd give her a good rogering just on the basis of her voice |
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Winmar
Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 125 Location: Melbourne
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Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:25 am Post subject: |
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I was given a lift by a couple of guys in country Ireland a few years ago, and I couldn't understand a bloody work they said! I had to say "pardon" at least two or three times every time they made an utterance, which was a tad embarrassing.
I have a non-ocker Australian accent. Not sure if my pronunciation of words is weird or not, but I doubt it. |
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kaw
Joined: 31 Mar 2003 Posts: 302 Location: somewhere hot and sunny
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:50 am Post subject: accents |
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Sorry to hear about your problems with EF abd the being Irish bit. It does have to be said though that losing out on working in Indonesia with EF is no great hardship.
If your heart is set on Indonesia ( and have no idea why it would be butsome people love it) then try some of the other schools.
As for accents, I think the Irish one is great and where I currently am (nowhere near Indonesia)we'd love to have had more Irish applying.
Even though I'm English -always have been and always will be - I find accents for the North of England difficult to understand - ok so I'm a southerner but even so............ |
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Winmar
Joined: 11 Feb 2003 Posts: 125 Location: Melbourne
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:43 am Post subject: |
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Depends on how strong the accent is - mild northern accents are easy to understand, but strong Geordie ones on the other hand......
I don't think it's an EF thing - it's the pig-headedness of Indonesian immigration, as far as I've heard. They just won't issue a KITAS to teachers from countries which don't have English as their official language. |
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reality
Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Posts: 105
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Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2004 11:38 pm Post subject: You can work in Indonesia |
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I know personally Irish Teachers, who have worked or are currently working in Indonesia. I also know South African born Teachers, working in Indonesia.
I guess it depends on each School, and not the Immigration Department, dealing with the KITA's. There are other Schools, not just EF, and many offer better contracts and working conditions. |
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