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Ministry of Labor: Big changes in the works

 
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justcolleen



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:38 am    Post subject: Ministry of Labor: Big changes in the works Reply with quote

A large force behind the revolution was unemployment. In response to that, the Ministry of Labor will stop issuing work permits "for jobs that can be done by locals."

First, they will stop issuing work permits to foreigners:

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/3/12/7539/Business/Economy/Egypts-labour-minister-to-stop-issuing-work-permit.aspx

Next, if an Egyptian can be trained to do the same job within six months, the job will have to go to the Egyptian:

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/3/12/7625/Business/Economy/Egypt-labor-ministry-tackles-unemployment,-minimum.aspx
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you think this really applies to EFL teachers? I mean, most EFL positions require teachers to be native english speakers. That's not something that an Egyptian can be trained to do.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DELB1 wrote:
Do you think this really applies to EFL teachers? I mean, most EFL positions require teachers to be native english speakers. That's not something that an Egyptian can be trained to do.


I believe there are a significant amount of Egyptians quite capable of doing the work native speakers have been doing and it will have a significant impact, primarily on people with no university education and a four week TEFL certificate teaching American Literature to 12th grade students. You can bet that job will go to an Egyptian that graduated from a Faculty of Education, English Division first. Also, the "New Egypt" is all about no more corruption among government officials, and promising to fully prosecute those who do it, so there will be no more paying off the Ministry of Education with carbon paper and staplers to overlook the foreign worker lacking a work permit.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DELB1 wrote:
Do you think this really applies to EFL teachers? I mean, most EFL positions require teachers to be native english speakers. That's not something that an Egyptian can be trained to do.

This is absolutely untrue!! I would say that the vast majority of EFL teachers around the world are definitely NOT native speakers. And many, if not most, of them are not only qualified to teach English, but very likely do a much better job than many of the native speaker teachers... who rattle around the world teaching English with limited educations in the field... and think they know what they are doing only because they are native speakers.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
DELB1 wrote:
Do you think this really applies to EFL teachers? I mean, most EFL positions require teachers to be native english speakers. That's not something that an Egyptian can be trained to do.

This is absolutely untrue!! I would say that the vast majority of EFL teachers around the world are definitely NOT native speakers. And many, if not most, of them are not only qualified to teach English, but very likely do a much better job than many of the native speaker teachers... who rattle around the world teaching English with limited educations in the field... and think they know what they are doing only because they are native speakers.

VS


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will be interesting to see what happens in this area.

Some native speaking English teachers simply donít have the formal education or even the intrinsic skills to be an effective teacher. Some even use poor grammar on a daily basis. Many non-native speakers make excellent teachers.

For myself, my first priority is to learn from a skilled native speaker. I see this as the ideal situation and I think many others do as well. Non-native speakers sometimes miss the subtleties of the language and, maybe, are less credible with cultural references.

I canít imagine Egypt will stop granting visas to non-Egyptian language teachers. They may limit them, better enforce them, and attach requirements to them.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:07 pm    Post subject: No Work Visas Reply with quote

Asalamu Alaykom,

I think this new ruling will benefit those of us who are currently living and working in Egypt. Obviously, parents would rather have their child learn an accent from a Native Speaker. Schools which promote an American or British style of education would rather have qualified teachers from those countries. So, regardless if the Ministry thinks the jobs could go to an Egyptian, I don't think the better schools will have the jobs go to Egyptians. I think those of us left playing "Survivor" will get a chance to advance our careers because we'll be in demand. Hey, we deserve something for sticking it out through this tough time.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:54 am    Post subject: Re: No Work Visas Reply with quote

Yosra wrote:
Asalamu Alaykom,

I think this new ruling will benefit those of us who are currently living and working in Egypt. Obviously, parents would rather have their child learn an accent from a Native Speaker. Schools which promote an American or British style of education would rather have qualified teachers from those countries. So, regardless if the Ministry thinks the jobs could go to an Egyptian, I don't think the better schools will have the jobs go to Egyptians. I think those of us left playing "Survivor" will get a chance to advance our careers because we'll be in demand. Hey, we deserve something for sticking it out through this tough time.


Yosra, let us know how your work permit for the next academic year works out because it may not be as easy as this year.

You do have a work permit, don't you?
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