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TheHanMan
Joined: 23 May 2011 Posts: 33
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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It seems like you're trying to lure me into saying something that would get me in trouble around these parts! Such slanderous insinuations against one who harbours no ill will to the world nor to his brothers and sisters thereon!
I respect the Catholic Church as an organisation willing to confront the evil inherent in our world! And evil DOES exist!
BUT, I do not judge homosexuality as evil; most thinking Catholics nowadays, in reality, don't either! But we can't walk out on the Church; we cannot throw the baby out with the bath water brother John!!!
The Church will change its position on this, sooner or later! Once it does, we shall see an organisation truly fit to command the hearts of all men!
'Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things!
For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him!
The kingdom of God is within you!'
"I have read in Plato and Cicero sayings that are very wise and very beautiful; but I never read in either of them: "Come unto me all ye that labour and are heavy laden!" ~St Augustine
You can add Mark Twain to that list one as well!
Throw away the shackles John; rejoice in the glow of the Lord!!!!!!!!!!!!
PS - But please rejoice responsibly. |
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Sashadroogie
Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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Where's the doomed euro in all of this? |
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TheHanMan
Joined: 23 May 2011 Posts: 33
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Sashadroogie wrote: |
Where's the doomed euro in all of this? |
Don't you see; all roads truly do lead to Rome! |
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Sashadroogie
Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, but Moscow is the Third Rome! And there shall be no Fourth...
I'd start buying up rubles - a more stable currency than most these days. |
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johnslat
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Dear TheHanMan,
Really enjoyed that long post - yes, I'm a "lapsed" Catholic, and while I will agree that the Church can and does do much good in this world, I'm also aware of a lot that I consider to be just plain wrong.
"The Church will change its position on this, sooner or later!"
If bets are allowed, may I claim much, much, much, much (and many more muches) later?
I was in the seminary (Maryknoll) for a few years because I thought (it was quite a while back) that the reforms of John XXIII would be carried forward. However, when I saw what I thought to be the reactionary response, I left since I was unwilling to spend my life telling people too many things that I didn't personally believe in.
If all roads lead to Rome, it must follow that they all lead away from it, as well.
Regards,
John |
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TheHanMan
Joined: 23 May 2011 Posts: 33
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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johnslat wrote: |
If all roads lead to Rome, it must follow that they all lead away from it, as well. |
This is a damn fine piece of thinking! I never looked at it that way. You've hit upon something for Catholics to think about here... As a primary school student in Korea once wrote to me in a note; 'I like you teacher, your thinking is good!!!!'
Pope Benedict XVI was a big wheel in the proposals of the second Vatican council by the way. He was a would be reformer and was viewed as a dangerous man by many of the traditionalists around him.
Unfortunately, during the uprisings of 1968, students rampaged into the institute where he was teaching theology in Germany (or Austria maybe, can't remember) and wreaked violence upon the faculty teaching there.
This incident is said to have affected Ratzinger to a degree that most would view as excessive.
This isolated incident would prove to be the catalyst for Ratzinger to initially change his modernising opinions and to eventually become one of the most staunchly traditionalist Popes that the modern world has seen.
I don't know when the Catholic Church will change its position on homosexuality, but yes your skepticism that it will happen soon is perhaps well justified. Certainly not under this man.
Compliments again on the above quote! |
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johnslat
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Sashadroogie
Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:45 am Post subject: |
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To get back on topic, the euro has been predicted to be dying ever since its inception, from the time of the ECU even. But it is still here and the alarm at its impending doom only seems to come from quarters that were against it for political reasons more than economic ones in the first place. I don't think it is going away anytime soon... |
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scot47
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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You guys can head fror Rome. I will stick with Hus and Zwingli. |
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johnslat
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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Dear scot47,
Hus: He was tried and burnt at the stake without an opportunity to explain his beliefs.
Zwingli: The Swiss lost decisively and Zwingli was killed at the battle of Kappel, his body defiled, on October 11, 1531.
Of the two, I think sticking with Zwingli might be healthier.
Regards,
John |
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Sashadroogie
Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Fellas? This continued religious talk on a thread dedicated to economics? Please, let's have no more opium for the People... |
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johnslat
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Sasha,
Huh? I thought economics WAS the opium for the People nowadays.
Regards,
John |
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Sashadroogie
Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Johnslat
Only in the stateless society of the future. Deary me - need to brush up on yer diamat there... |
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