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Rebeckii



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:53 pm    Post subject: Teaching at Internt'l Schools-Bucharest Reply with quote

Hello,

I recently completed a CELTA. One of my classmates was Romanian and had been teaching in Bucharest. She told me as an expat there, I could find a great job working at an international school. Salary starting around 1200-1500 euros a month, plus a housing allowance, free gym membership (at one school). I have a family (husband and 2 small kids), I would like to know if this is true or if not, what is the truth?

If this is true it sounds like an interesting option for us as a family. Any advice on making the move with kids? My kids are currently 2 and 4.5 and according to my friend would be able to go to the school for free as well.

TIA for any help,

Rebeckii
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Rebeckii



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really? None has some info on international schools?

If you need more info on me thats fine. I am American married to an Italian and we live in France now. I have a BS in Psych and a CELTA. I have no experience at this moment teaching English but will working on that this year hopefully.

I know that no one can give me a "yes you will definitely get that kind of contract" answer but I would like to know if those figures are at least ballpark. And if anyone else has btdt with kids, that any advice would be welcomed.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This forum has only one or two regular posters, and it's obviously holiday time. I wouldn't expect instant service here Surprised .

If I were in your case, I'd contact international schools in Bucharest with a cover letter and CV and try to find out directly if they have openings and, if so, what the deal would be.
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Rebeckii



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point, I didn't think about the holiday thing. My bad.

Thanks for the tip. I didn't know if that it was acceptable to contact schools like that unless I was searching for a job now (we aren't looking to move until spring/summer 2012). But if its a fairly normal practice that makes it easier.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would probably be rare for a well-run international school to need to hire at this (very) late date for 2011/2012.

I don't think that sending an exploratory letter for the next school year would be out of line at all.
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Mike_2007



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

That salary sounds about right for the few large international schools - could be less for an entry-level position, maybe more for an experienced teacher.

That kind of salary is great for a well-settled person with no family, but I think you'd struggle to support four people on it, assuming you'd want to live to 'western' standards. Romanian families survive on a lot less, but they aren't living expat lifestyles (not shopping for imported branded products in larger supermarkets), have grandparents to look after the kids (no need for childcare), and rarely pay rent/mortgages (the majority of people here own their properties still).

Getting such a job could also be difficult as there tends to be more interest in said jobs than there are vacancies, and having no experience might count against you, too. As you're not thinking to move till next summer, you could do a lot worse than trying to spend the next year in a teaching position of some kind wherever you are now.

One thing in your favour, though, is that fact that you are married to an EU citizen, meaning you don't need to apply for a work permit (as most Americans wanting to work in the EU do). The American international schools, who I assume would prefer to employ an American, might be interested in a qualified, experienced American for whom they don't have to jump through hoops to secure a visa. As Spiral says, there's really nothing to lose by sending out a few e-mails to test the waters.

Cheers,
Mike
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had job offer at an intl school in Bucharest. The pay was around 1200 a month, no housing or gym memberships though.

Have you looked at IBO and TES? Cost of living is high in Bucharest as far as rents go though. They've recently increased.

For most intl schools you're going to need a teaching license. Do you have that?
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Rebeckii



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello,

Thank you all for the responses. Its good to know that the salary is ball park but would not be enough long term. This is what we expected. My husband would eventually find work but we wanted to know if it was an option for him to chill for a couple months and take his time finding a job.

I am absolutely trying to find work where I am at present. However my visa status here is complicated. So for right now, unless a school wants to sponsor me here, I am not at all likely to find a job. But I am trying =).

I will try sending out some resumès and see what it gets me. Thanks again for all the help. Any other tips would always be welcome. At this point Romania is a new option that we were only considering because my friend made it sound so great =).
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem may be that, as a US citizen married to an Italian, you have the automatic right to work in Italy, but not in other EU countries. Is this your problem in France?

It will apply in Romania as well - the only distinction being that an international school will be able to get you a working visa - if they wish to!!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral's right, you can't automatically work in all EU countries just becuase you're married to an EU citizen; you'll have to do paperwork. The good thing is that Romania is a new EU country, so it's probably easier to work there than say, Spain.

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Mike_2007



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
The problem may be that, as a US citizen married to an Italian, you have the automatic right to work in Italy, but not in other EU countries. Is this your problem in France?

It will apply in Romania as well - the only distinction being that an international school will be able to get you a working visa - if they wish to!!


Are you sure about that? According to europa.eu:

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If my family joins me in my new country, will they have the right to work there?
YES - Whatever their nationality, your family members have the right to work in your new country on an employed or self-employed basis. This means that no work permits can be required, even if your family members are not EU citizens.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They key is 'can my family join me in my new country.' This means in one partner's new country - of citizenship. Neither of the partners in this case are planning to become Romanian.

When my Czech spouse and I first moved to the Netherlands, I was not allowed to work - only to reside legally (I later got an exceptional work permit on my own).

Again, all a moot point in this case, as a legitimate international school can get a legal work permit for a non-EU citizen if they wish to, and the Italian husband will have a right to work there under normal EU law.
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Mike_2007



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure it just means 'my new country of residence'. For a start, why would an EU citizen apply for citizenship of another EU country when they are legally entitled to all the same rights as a citizen of their new country?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really, it's not the case. I am married to an EU citizen, but was NOT eligible for legal working permits for Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg or Germany based on his citizenship.
As I noted before, I eventually got an exceptional visa on my own, as a specialist.

It seriously means 'country of citizenship.' An EU citizen obviously wouldn't need to apply for citizenship in a new EU country, but his/her family members aren't automatically eligible for work permits throughout the EU.
This restriction may not be fair when applied to spouses, but it does exist.

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am absolutely trying to find work where I am at present. However my visa status here is complicated. So for right now, unless a school wants to sponsor me here, I am not at all likely to find a job. But I am trying =).



When the OP returns, we will find out if this is her current problem in France - I expect that it is. Her Italian husband has a legal right to work there, but she has not, I'm really quite sure, based on my own nearly ten years of experience working in EU countries as a US citizen (where I could not get a work visa just because I'm married to an EU member citizen Shocked ).


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's very strange then. EU legislation seems to be very clear on the matter and every source I've checked seems to confirm that the non-EU spouses of EU citizens have the right to work anywhere in the EU. (edit - as long as they are living with their EU spouse)

Do you have a link for me, please?


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