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MI6agent



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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2016 7:19 pm    Post subject: You can’t always get what you want Reply with quote

The Donald won’t be getting any satisfaction from the Rolling Stones’ recent comments.

The British rockers have told the Republican’s presumptive presidential nominee to stop using their music at his campaign rallies across the U.S.
“The Rolling Stones have never given permission to the Trump campaign to use their songs and have requested that they cease all use immediately,” a spokesperson for the Stones told the BBC this week.

Over the last year Trump and his team have been making heavy use of the Stones’ 1981 hit Start Me Up at campaign stops during his efforts to secure the GOP nomination, now all but in the bag. The rather aptly titled You Can’t Always Get What You Want has been another oft-used track.
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/t-always-want-rolling-stones-014418790.html
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2016 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And? So this is another 'let's bash Trump with anything we can' post? It's all pretty pathetic - but predictable.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2016 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All depends on one's POV, doesn't it?

What you see as "pathetic and pointless" may seem to others quite different.

I see thie following numbers as pathetic and pointless, at least from Trump's POV. The most recent poll, May 4th: "At the starting gate: Clinton leads Trump by double-digits, 54% to 41%.

Quite a bashing.

Sanders does even better. Very Happy

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RedLightning



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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
All depends on one's POV, doesn't it?

What you see as "pathetic and pointless" may seem to others quite different.

I see thie following numbers as pathetic and pointless, at least from Trump's POV. The most recent poll, May 4th: "At the starting gate: Clinton leads Trump by double-digits, 54% to 41%.

Quite a bashing.

Sanders does even better. Very Happy

Regards,
John



Ah, so Trump's political aspirations are pathetic and pointless as a select group of 1001 individuals (890 of whom registered voters) favored Hillary 54% to 41%?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/04/politics/poll-results-general-election-matchup/index.html

Granted, this is the nature of polling, but let's not pretend the 'Trump has no chance' mantra (polls,articles,etc) is anything other than an attempt to sway the subconscious of the general
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RedLightning wrote:
Granted, this is the nature of polling, but let's not pretend the 'Trump has no chance' mantra (polls,articles,etc) is anything other than an attempt to sway the subconscious of the general


Bound to happen at this point. Hopeful speculation all around.

Ok, ready to place your bets? Cat Lady Supreme or Trumpen Jugend?
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt the Rolling Stones are in a position to demand anything as they probably do not own the rights to the song. They most likely sold that away long ago.
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
All depends on one's POV, doesn't it?

What you see as "pathetic and pointless" may seem to others quite different.

I see thie following numbers as pathetic and pointless, at least from Trump's POV. The most recent poll, May 4th: "At the starting gate: Clinton leads Trump by double-digits, 54% to 41%.

Quite a bashing.

Sanders does even better. Very Happy

Regards,
John


The problem with polls is that there is always another one.

Trump 41%, Clinton 39%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/trump_41_clinton_39
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rasmussan - Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy What a joke.

"The 105 polls released in Senate and gubernatorial races by Rasmussen Reports and its subsidiary, Pulse Opinion Research, missed the final margin between the candidates by 5.8 points, a considerably higher figure than that achieved by most other pollsters. Some 13 of its polls missed by 10 or more points, including one in the Hawaii Senate race that missed the final margin between the candidates by 40 points, the largest error ever recorded in a general election in FiveThirtyEight’s database, which includes all polls conducted since 1998.

Moreover, Rasmussen’s polls were quite biased, overestimating the standing of the Republican candidate by almost 4 points on average. In just 12 cases, Rasmussen’s polls overestimated the margin for the Democrat by 3 or more points. But it did so for the Republican candidate in 55 cases — that is, in more than half of the polls that it issued.

If one focused solely on the final poll issued by Rasmussen Reports or Pulse Opinion Research in each state — rather than including all polls within the three-week interval — it would not have made much difference. Their average error would be 5.7 points rather than 5.8, and their average bias 3.8 points rather than 3.9.

Nor did it make much difference whether the polls were branded as Rasmussen Reports surveys, or instead, were commissioned for Fox News by its subsidiary Pulse Opinion Research. (Both sets of surveys used an essentially identical methodology.) Polls branded as Rasmussen Reports missed by an average of 5.9 points and had a 3.9 point bias. The polls it commissioned on behalf of Fox News had a 5.1 point error, and a 3.6 point bias."

Ever hear of Nate Silver?: FiveThirrtyEight: "With so many political polls coming out, it's hard to evaluate which are most accurate and how much weight we should give them in predicting winners, which is why so many people turn to Nate Silver for his polling analysis. He's a statistician who's famous for founding the website FiveThirtyEight, which analyzes polls based on accuracy and methodology, aggregates polls and forecasts outcomes. In 2008, he correctly called all 35 Senate races and the winners of the presidential contests in 49 of 50 states."

"According to the election data site Election Graphs, which compiles polling data on a state-by-state basis as well as using data on past elections and other tendencies, even in a worst-case scenario for Clinton, she would still win a narrow victory over Trump, with 279 electoral votes to 259 for the Republican.

That worst-case scenario means that Donald Trump would win every one of the states that are now leaning “weakly” toward Clinton, that is, in which she has only a narrow polling advantage.

Those states include the important swing states of Florida and Ohio, where the most recent polling shows Hillary Clinton with leads over Donald Trump of 3.7 percentage points and 3.8 points, respectively."

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John
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But please don't misunderstand. I LOVE it that Trump is virtually certain to be the Republican nominee. Very Happy


"Trump’s unexpected ascension has forced Republican lawmakers across the country — most of whom, like Blunt, have pledged to support their party’s eventual nominee — into verbal contortions as they try to distance themselves from Trump’s divisive antics without alienating the millions of GOP voters who nominated him.

That dynamic — now certain to play out for another six months — has Democrats increasingly confident about their chances to win back the Senate majority in 2017.

Because of Trump’s candidacy, national Democrats believe they can expand their Senate map beyond the battleground states like Illinois, Wisconsin, Ohio and New Hampshire to win the five seats they need. Key forecasters now think Republican incumbents in states like Arizona, North Carolina and Missouri, considered safe a year ago, are now vulnerable."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/05/09/missouri-gop-senator-faces-tough-post-trump-reality-no-seat-is-safe/

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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wangdaning wrote:
I doubt the Rolling Stones are in a position to demand anything as they probably do not own the rights to the song. They most likely sold that away long ago.


Not so. Microsoft used Start Me Up under licence to advertise Windows 95. They did not buy the copyright.

The band's catalogue from 1963-69 is owned by ABKCO, the company of the notorious Allen Klein. After years of litigation the Stones relinquished control of the songs released while Klein was their manager (1965-70); in return he paid the band royalties which he had withheld since the sixties.
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Rasmussan - Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy What a joke.

"The 105 polls released in Senate and gubernatorial races by Rasmussen Reports and its subsidiary, Pulse Opinion Research, missed the final margin between the candidates by 5.8 points, a considerably higher figure than that achieved by most other pollsters. Some 13 of its polls missed by 10 or more points, including one in the Hawaii Senate race that missed the final margin between the candidates by 40 points, the largest error ever recorded in a general election in FiveThirtyEight’s database, which includes all polls conducted since 1998.

Moreover, Rasmussen’s polls were quite biased, overestimating the standing of the Republican candidate by almost 4 points on average. In just 12 cases, Rasmussen’s polls overestimated the margin for the Democrat by 3 or more points. But it did so for the Republican candidate in 55 cases — that is, in more than half of the polls that it issued.

If one focused solely on the final poll issued by Rasmussen Reports or Pulse Opinion Research in each state — rather than including all polls within the three-week interval — it would not have made much difference. Their average error would be 5.7 points rather than 5.8, and their average bias 3.8 points rather than 3.9.

Nor did it make much difference whether the polls were branded as Rasmussen Reports surveys, or instead, were commissioned for Fox News by its subsidiary Pulse Opinion Research. (Both sets of surveys used an essentially identical methodology.) Polls branded as Rasmussen Reports missed by an average of 5.9 points and had a 3.9 point bias. The polls it commissioned on behalf of Fox News had a 5.1 point error, and a 3.6 point bias."

Ever hear of Nate Silver?: FiveThirrtyEight: "With so many political polls coming out, it's hard to evaluate which are most accurate and how much weight we should give them in predicting winners, which is why so many people turn to Nate Silver for his polling analysis. He's a statistician who's famous for founding the website FiveThirtyEight, which analyzes polls based on accuracy and methodology, aggregates polls and forecasts outcomes. In 2008, he correctly called all 35 Senate races and the winners of the presidential contests in 49 of 50 states."

"According to the election data site Election Graphs, which compiles polling data on a state-by-state basis as well as using data on past elections and other tendencies, even in a worst-case scenario for Clinton, she would still win a narrow victory over Trump, with 279 electoral votes to 259 for the Republican.

That worst-case scenario means that Donald Trump would win every one of the states that are now leaning “weakly” toward Clinton, that is, in which she has only a narrow polling advantage.

Those states include the important swing states of Florida and Ohio, where the most recent polling shows Hillary Clinton with leads over Donald Trump of 3.7 percentage points and 3.8 points, respectively."

Regards,
John


Nice copy and paste there.


http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/rasmussen-polls-were-biased-and-inaccurate-quinnipiac-surveyusa-performed-strongly/?_r=0
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why, thank you - that's why the quotation marks are there.

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John
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

China has handed Mr. Trump a primary campaign advantage and 1hella issue by subsidizing failed corporations leading to seven new “dumping” investigations. Watch for this to enter the dialogue
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Rasmussan - Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy What a joke.


Get real. It has a mixed history if you bother to look into it, including some quite accurate results (at least more accurate than many other polls).

In any case, people have been saying Trump has no chance since he entered the race. So many people have been eating crow lately that I'm surprised the crow isn't extinct already.
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you think Mr. Trump will win . . . .

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/2016/05/why-donald-trump-will-lose-the-election/

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