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sheikh radlinrol
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 Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:43 pm Post subject: Why not President Rodham? |
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| When Hillary Clinton becomes the first female President of the United States I would like to see her insist that she be known as President Rodham. Why do we persist with this anachronistic custom of women taking their husband´s family name. Here in Spain, my students consider it absurd and so do I. I´d be interested to hear what happens in other parts of the world. |
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BadBeagleBad
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Why not President Rodham? |
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| sheikh radlinrol wrote: |
| When Hillary Clinton becomes the first female President of the United States I would like to see her insist that she be known as President Rodham. Why do we persist with this anachronistic custom of women taking their husband´s family name. Here in Spain, my students consider it absurd and so do I. I´d be interested to hear what happens in other parts of the world. |
In most Latin American cultures women have never taken their husbands last name. Some people ADD their husbands last name, for example, if my name was Teresa Lopez and my husband's name was Fernando Colunga (I wish!!) then I COULD be known as Teresa Lopez de Colunga. It is not that common, and I personally have never done it, and I don't know anyone who does. It is more common, at least in Mexico, in the society pages and not among the prole. |
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RedLightning
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:14 am Post subject: Re: Why not President Rodham? |
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| sheikh radlinrol wrote: |
| Why do we persist with this anachronistic custom of women taking their husband´s family name. |
For the sake of paperwork alone, I imagine it simplifies matters a great deal.
Aside from that, there's the possibility that these women are attempting a show of unity, commitment, or some other foolish, anachronistic quality. |
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Phil_K
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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There's a simple reason...most women WANT to! Despite the pathetic efforts of modern liberals and feminists (male and female) to destroy all of our traditions, the majority of people are quite happy with the status quo. (The Hispanic tradition is to retain the same name, so that's fine too). Also, most women are still romantic, so respect that part of it, and in the case of having children, they create a family unit where the family all has the same name.
Besides, you are starting with a false premise - Ms. Clinton WON'T become president!  |
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sheikh radlinrol
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: Why not President Rodham? |
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| BadBeagleBad wrote: |
| Some people ADD their husbands last name, for example, if my name was Teresa Lopez and my husband's name was Fernando Colunga (I wish!!) then I COULD be known as Teresa Lopez de Colunga. |
Who is Fernando Colunga? A Latin American movie star or soccer player admired by you señoritas. Anyway, thank you for the information supplied on what they do there. It seems not too different from Spain. |
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johnslat
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Phil_K
"Ms. Clinton WON'T become president!"
Hmm, care to lose a little money on that? 
Stick to football 
Regards,
John |
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Phil_K
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Dear Johnslat
I'll think about it. Maybe not money, maybe I'll become a "progressive" liberal, a vegan, and go on a Gay Pride march!
Regards
Phil_K |
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wangdaning
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I will bet she wont be elected. You want to bet still?
Women take the husbands name in some cultures, not in others. Should we from places they do now look down on places that don't? Do what you feel is normal. My mom has kept my father's surname even though they divorced and he is dead. What stays the same is my brother and I have the same surname, she did not want to separate that. Is she less of a woman for that, less of a person?
On the flip side, China has no such tradition. My wife keeps her family name, my son officially has her family name. He has mine unofficially (not documented by government). He knows his name in both languages, and if he decides to change citizenship he has a choice. I am not offended either way. |
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johnslat
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:39 am Post subject: |
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Dear Phil_K,
And I'll become a "compassionate" conservative, build a wall around my house, and refuse to teach gay students. 
Regards,,
John |
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wangdaning
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Dear Phil_K,
And I'll become a "compassionate" conservative, build a wall around my house, and refuse to teach gay students.
Regards,,
John |
You could only do that in a free country. |
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Phil_K
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| johnslat wrote: |
Dear Phil_K,
And I'll become a "compassionate" conservative, build a wall around my house, and refuse to teach gay students.
Regards,,
John |
You could only do that in a free country. |
Where's the "like" button? |
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johnslat
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Yes, I so want to be free to express my bigotry and prejudice. I think it's reprehensible that, as an agnostic, I can't claim "religious freedom" as a reason for exercising my God-given rights.
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John |
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santi84
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Professionally, my name comes from my husband. Legally, it still comes from my father. Either way, it comes from a man anyways  |
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izmigari
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| Either way, it comes from a man anyways |
As it should.    |
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sheikh radlinrol
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Why not President Rodham? |
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| RedLightning wrote: |
| sheikh radlinrol wrote: |
| Why do we persist with this anachronistic custom of women taking their husband´s family name. |
For the sake of paperwork alone, I imagine it simplifies matters a great deal.
Aside from that, there's the possibility that these women are attempting a show of unity, commitment, or some other foolish, anachronistic quality. |
I may have misunderstood your comment but surely when the newly-wed woman takes her husband´s name it creates a lot of paperwork. Won´t she need new debit and credit cards, driving license and she may need a new passport with her new surname on it. To vote she will have to have her surname changed on the electoral roll, won´t she? |
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