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adventious
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| sheikh radlinrol wrote: |
I thought that Scot47 was the King of Pretentious Bullshite on this board but you take the biscuit.  |
Citing Bede's account of Gregory about the origin of Ingles should be common knowledge to anyone who has studied historical linguistics, a topic that was a prerequisite to applied linguistics at my university. Thanks for replying. |
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gregory999
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Hod wrote: |
| So if leaving the EU turns into the mother of all nightmares whilst Boris enjoys retirement on his yacht off the Maldives, who you gonna blame? Look in the mirror (not that one). |
Well, Hod, I will blame the politicians, who do not look in the mirror to see a projection of their fantasies.  |
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Hod
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| Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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If your toilet blocks, do you call a plumber or do you just blame the government?
You wouldn't be alone in blaming politicians for a Brexit nightmare in five or ten years, if that were to happen, but seeing as this is in or out referendum and not the usual best of the worst for the next five years, won't you have to take some of the blame too? You made your bed, lie in it.
Isn't it massively naive to trust/believe any politician? You can actually make your own plans you know. At least you can blame someone if they go wrong. |
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wangdaning
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| Hod wrote: |
If your toilet blocks, do you call a plumber or do you just blame the government?
You wouldn't be alone in blaming politicians for a Brexit nightmare in five or ten years, if that were to happen, but seeing as this is in or out referendum and not the usual best of the worst for the next five years, won't you have to take some of the blame too? You made your bed, lie in it.
Isn't it massively naive to trust/believe any politician? You can actually make your own plans you know. At least you can blame someone if they go wrong. |
But, if they don't leave will you not be alone in blaming them for it? That is the simple fact you have to consider. If you leave you don't know what will happen, if you stay the same applies. I did not vote in your poll because you stated anyone without the ability to vote should stay out. Shouldn't all EU nations get to vote on this, UK wants to leave, how does that affect other EU nations. That is the point of the Union, right? |
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Hod
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| But, if they don't leave will you not be alone in blaming them for it? |
If UK stays in EU, nothing will have changed.
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| If you leave you don't know what will happen |
I will know what will happen as I live in the UK and will feel the effects be they good or bad.
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| Shouldn't all EU nations get to vote on this, UK wants to leave, how does that affect other EU nations. That is the point of the Union, right? |
You asked this on the other Brexit thread. I answered there. No. |
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wangdaning
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 3:51 am Post subject: |
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| Wow, things don't change. |
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Hod
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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I was hardly born when the last EU/EEC referendum took place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum,_1975
Interesting and depressing.
66% turnout
Pretty much all of England voted "yes"
Grim times, three-day week, jobs for life, i.e. slacking, and powerful unions who are now as defunct as a dodo.
1975 Britain had a huge manufacturing base, and yet the people were desperate to join/stay in the EU/EEC.
2016 Britain has 7 people working in manufacturing whilst the rest read Voltaire or work at Amazon, and no one could care less about staying in the EU. |
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fluffyhamster
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I'm tempted to vote No in the hope that things will then become so dire or blatant in the UK that mass protests or revolution will occur, against national leaders that surely even the right wing will then have to perceive as accountable. Think doctor's strike > general strike. With stuff like TTIP on the EU lobbyist's cards I can see real trouble coming either way (even if we end up at the back of the queue for American "favours"). Perhaps the ballot should be worded more along the lines of 'Do you wish to remain in the EU or indeed even the UK (as they are at present)?'. The problem with politics is that it doesn't do nuance at all, just absolute black and white with no compromise. Reform is obviously a dirty word.
I want to be in neither the current EU nor the UK, and do not support the present status quo in and across both. As somebody said in a recent comment on The Guardian's CiF, Whoever wins, you lose. Pretty much sums it up, I feel. |
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Hod
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| It sounds like your ideal scenario would be a nuclear war. Good luck. |
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sheikh radlinrol
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| It sounds like your ideal scenario would be a nuclear war. Good luck. |
No. He says that revolution would be enough. |
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johnslat
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Dear sheikh,
Isn't revolution revolting?
More importantly, looking back through history at all the revolutions (French, Russian, Chinese, Iranian, Arab Spring - about the only exception I can come up with is - yes - the American Revolution. It would seem that it's the most ruthless, power-hungry, violent ones who come out on top.
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John |
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wangdaning
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| johnslat wrote: |
Dear sheikh,
It would seem that it's the most ruthless, power-hungry, violent ones who come out on top.
Regards,
John |
It is those who are propped up who come out on top, only later to be torn down and replaced. |
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fluffyhamster
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Hod
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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Nuclear war is above as realistic as your words below.
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| I'm tempted to vote No in the hope that things will then become so dire or blatant in the UK that mass protests or revolution will occur, against national leaders that surely even the right wing will then have to perceive as accountable. |
I'm sure you're tempted by lots of things as I am on an hourly basis, but this referendum is less than three months away, so maybe a yes/no/don't care would be more in keeping with your anarchistic ideals.
What's it to be? Or are you going back to China anyway? |
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fluffyhamster
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| I think there is more chance of Tory voters realizing they voted for Christmas than there is of a nuclear war, but what do I know eh. |
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