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Lack
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| sheikh radlinrol wrote: |
| But I think he was simply trying to make the point that the bombers were not refugees or immigrants, but people born and raised in Belgium. This was also the case in London 2005, I think. |
So in other words it was still immigration, just once removed.
I wonder what religion the parents of the attackers belonged to, as well as what the religion of the attackers was?
We all know the answer of course.
Sigh. Religion is bunk, and violent religion is a cancer. The Christers at least settled down for the most part. Being anti-science is harmful in its own way. At least they don't try to blow up labs, I guess? But they try to alter textbooks. Just as bad in some ways. Islam never got to its calmed down phase and doesn't seem like it ever will.
What I find so absurd is that people who (ostensibly) believe in things like free speech, women's rights, and democracy (usually liberals) are so adamant in defending Islam - a religion which is decidedly against these values. Islam is not going to collectively 'see the light' and take on these values. Islam and Liberalism are opposed on all counts. They are not compatible.
As usual, atheists get it right. Hitchens and Dawkins had it right: it's either a world of reason or barbaric religion (though I repeat myself.)
I consider myself a real liberal. I'd rather keep my democracy, human rights, and free speech thanks very much. Islam must be put down, or it WILL destroy all of those values. Mass terrorist attacks like what happened in Belgium, France, Spain (hell, at least half the EU by now) are the canaries in the coal mine. |
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gregory999
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Lack wrote: |
| I consider myself a real liberal. I'd rather keep my democracy, human rights, and free speech thanks very much. Islam must be put down, or it WILL destroy all of those values. Mass terrorist attacks like what happened in Belgium, France, Spain (hell, at least half the EU by now) are the canaries in the coal mine. |
What kind of democracy and human rights are you adopting that deny the right of other people's religion? |
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spiral78
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| What kind of democracy and human rights are you adopting that deny the right of other people's religion? |
You can believe in any religion you want up to the point your religion allows you to/suggests that you should oppress me, limit my rights, or kill me!! At that stage, I don't care what your religion is, it's not ok for it to impact me. |
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JohnRambo
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Lack wrote: |
| scot47 wrote: |
| As with Paris, the perps in Belgium were not recent migrants from Syria but citizens and life-long residents of Europe. |
How Orwellian. I suppose we're supposed to imagine some middle aged, white, nominally-Christian, native Europeans committed this atrocity. |
A lot of people who came to Belgium and the Netherlands from North Africa were often from rural areas of Morocco and Algeria. And they probably wouldn't have been as educated as the elites of those countries. You're more likely to assimilate, I would assume, if you're from an educated background. And you may be more liberal if you have the said education. And Belgium and some other countries didn't have well-thought-out plans when it comes to integrating people. It's true that racism is a problem, but that's not an excuse to become a fanatic. |
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gregory999
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| You can believe in any religion you want up to the point your religion allows you to/suggests that you should oppress me, limit my rights, or kill me!! At that stage, I don't care what your religion is, it's not ok for it to impact me. |
Is it moral to put down a whole religion because of a minority fanatics committed an act of terrorism?
Fanatics and crazies are found in any religion and society, are you going to put down all religions in this case? Do you consider this to be a good liberal thinking?
If not, then you are using the same logic of you opponent, and that is to put him down? |
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spiral78
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I was referring to individuals, not to the whole groups-I agree that it is irrational and unfair to paint all members of any religious group with one brush. |
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johnslat
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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"Go peddle your pseudo-righteous strawman arguments elsewhere. I never said Christians do not commit terror acts. THEY DO. When white Christians commit terrorist acts, everyone is so quick to associate it with Christianity."
I'll make a deal: you go peddle your idiotic, racist balderdash elsewhere and I won't have to point out how illogical you are.
If you want to tell me what to do, come see me and tell me face-to-face, you twit. |
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gregory999
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| was referring to individuals, not to the whole groups-I agree that it is irrational and unfair to paint all members of any religious group with one brush. |
Good, you are true liberal.  |
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Dedicated
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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In the wake of the horrendous terrorist attack in Brussels, I do hope that people from all over the world realize something very important. We are not at war with the religion of Islam but with a barbaric terrorist network and organization that is determined to kill innocent people from all walks of life. What the perpetrators did was completely inhumane, unacceptable and unjustifiable.
Under no circumstances does Islam permit terrorism of any kind or the murder of innocent people.
People tend to forget that Muslims died in Brussels, London in 2005 and also in the 9/11 attacks in 2001. We simply cannot condemn an entire religion for the acts of extremists who want to inflict their terror and mayhem on anyone who opposes and stands in their way from accomplishing that goal. |
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gregory999
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you Dedicated, you are a dedicated writer. |
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Lack
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Lack wrote: |
| I consider myself a real liberal. I'd rather keep my democracy, human rights, and free speech thanks very much. Islam must be put down, or it WILL destroy all of those values. Mass terrorist attacks like what happened in Belgium, France, Spain (hell, at least half the EU by now) are the canaries in the coal mine. |
What kind of democracy and human rights are you adopting that deny the right of other people's religion? |
When a religion dictates to kill "infidels" as Islam does, and its adherents carry out said teachings, they lose all right "to their religion."
You have the right to believe whatever the hell you want, even if your religion wants you to believe that it's good to decapitate "infidels." The moment you start to practice it, all bets are off.
In other words, it's not really any different than our current system: you have the right to say and do as you please until you threaten and harm others. If murder is part of your religion, obviously you don't have a right to practice that. |
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Lack
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| johnslat wrote: |
"Go peddle your pseudo-righteous strawman arguments elsewhere. I never said Christians do not commit terror acts. THEY DO. When white Christians commit terrorist acts, everyone is so quick to associate it with Christianity."
I'll make a deal: you go peddle your idiotic, racist balderdash elsewhere and I won't have to point out how illogical you are.
If you want to tell me what to do, come see me and tell me face-to-face, you twit. |
Why don't you go try practicing free speech in the presence of the head-loppers you love so much and see what happens?
No matter how much you rush to defend them, they still want you dead. If it were only idiots like you at stake, I'd tell them to go knock themselves out. Given that innocent lives are at stake (let's not forget how many women and children have been RAPED and KILLED by these savages) what you are doing goes so far beyond irresponsible. |
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gregory999
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| Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Lack wrote: |
| When a religion dictates to kill "infidels" as Islam does, and its adherents carry out said teachings, they lose all right "to their religion." |
This is not true, the religion of Islam does not dictate to kill anybody.
This is an Islamophobic thinking, you are interpreting things about Islam out of context. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| Lack and his allies are doing the work of ISIS for them. |
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johnslat
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| No use, people. Lack's name is too well-chosen. You can't fix stupid. |
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