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007

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2684 Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| globalnomad2 wrote: |
| Strictly speaking, 007, there is no such thing as an Uncle Sam's university, except for the military academies. Aside from those, the US government does not own or run any higher-educational insitutition. |
If you are an American, which means you are a citizen both of uncle Sam federal entity and your state of residence.
By analogy, a state university is a public university founded and operated by a state government, and still under the citizenship of uncle Sam.
Yes, the only federal universities, suh as West Point, are the ones controlled by uncle Sam's Pentagon.
But still is uncle Sam's university, regardless if it is a public, private, state, or military one. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Give it up 007... again you have little or no idea what you are talking about. It is obvious that you know little or nothing about the US education system, so best to be quiet and stop making yourself look foolish.
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Balzac

Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 266
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Bebsi wrote: |
| I am given to understand (but need to check it out) that the BC was privatised during the Thatcher era, like many other government owned/sponsored bodies. |
That is indeed quite possible. Yes, Maggie (The Iron Lady) Thatcher did privatise [British spelling!] many state owned companies which led one social commentator to remark that it 'was like selling off the family silver'.
The British education sector was also privatised in the late 1980s so it's quite possible thst the BC was affected either directly or indirectly by this change.
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scot47

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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| It was not actually 'privatised' but was sent down the road of making a 6 percent notional return. |
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Bebsi
Joined: 07 Feb 2005 Posts: 958
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| So, at the moment, does anyone know if it is owned by shares or is it run by trustees. I suspect the latter, but wonder who the trustees are???? |
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Balzac

Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 266
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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| scot47 wrote: |
| It was not actually 'privatised' but was sent down the road of making a 6 percent notional return. |
Umm! That so? Makes you wonder how come it still has registered charity status then? Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't charitable organisations discouraged from making profits? Unless, as in this case, the profits, be they 6% or otherwise, are ploughed back into the BC or paid to the board of trustees in the form of salaries?
As Sherlock Holmes said, "If you remove all the probable possibilities, then the remaining possibility, no matter how improbable, is the right one."
I'll do some googling and see what I can dig up!
cheers
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Bebsi
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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That's exactly how I suspect it's done: they don't have dividends cos they don't have shares. They're also forbidden to have a profit as a charity, any net revenue is ploughed back into helping...well, charities!! However, a net revenue (i.e. profit) is what you are left with after paying expenses...how dashed shameful if after paying the trustees and senior management, there are no profits left.
Now, I'm a very suspicious and cynical person by nature, so I stand to be corrected on this, if someone representing the BC, for example, could enlighten us as to how the whole thing is indeed managed e.g. how trustees are appointed, and what their corporate/legal structure is. Of course, if I had the time or inclination I could check it out for myself, as charities are after all, public bodies and their annual accounts are, as far as I know, a matter of public record. Certainly, their legal status is, as is the structure, in the companies registration office.
Still, I have more to worry me. I think it's largely a question of Caveat Emptor (buyer beware). |
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Balzac

Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 266
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:04 am Post subject: |
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| Bebsi wrote: |
| Now, I'm a very suspicious and cynical person by nature, so I stand to be corrected on this, if someone representing the BC, for example, could enlighten us as to how the whole thing is indeed managed e.g. how trustees are appointed, and what their corporate/legal structure is. |
I think it's very much like a lot of British companies e.g. like BAE which, if you've been following the news of late, has been uncovered as being an extremely shady player in arms deals to Saudia and the bribes or golden handshakes that go with them.
I'm not of course saying the the BC is the same, but there is and always has been an almost secretive, masonic like aspect to its management strutcure and general policy making. One thing that is a common which I hear from people who've worked there for a long time is that unless you're an Old Boy from Cambridge or Oxford, then you're not going to get up the corporate ladder, the higher eschelons of the company. It seems to me that this is a good place to start looking if you want to unravel exactly how the whole BC machine works e.g. how management recruits are selected.
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007

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2684 Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Balzac wrote: |
It seems to me that this is a good place to start looking if you want to unravel exactly how the whole BC machine works e.g. how management recruits are selected. Balzac  |
It seems you are not familiar with the British �political� system in any organization.
The BC machine works like No. 10 Downing Street. Each boss bring or nominate his 'cabinet' members according to his agenda.
BTW, don't you think that the BC is the new face of the British Empire, at least in the language academic world?
Any comments are welcome. |
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Balzac

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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| 007 wrote: |
| It seems you are not familiar with the British �political� system in any organization. The BC machine works like No. 10 Downing Street. Each boss bring or nominate his 'cabinet' members according to his agenda. |
Interesting observation seeing as I studied political systems in the UK when I was a student there and have worked in many British owned or managed companies! I'd say I'm probably quite a bit more informed than you actually so your tone is a tad inappropriate.
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| BTW, don't you think that the BC is the new face of the British Empire, at least in the language academic world? Any comments are welcome. |
Again I have to wonder just who is the more misinformed or unfamiliar here. The BC has been exporting its wares since 1934 so I would hardly say that it was the 'new' face of anything!
Here's what a quick google turned up:
'The work of the British Council
The British Council, founded in 1934, is the UK�s international cultural relations organisation with offices in 216 towns and cities in 110 countries worldwide. Its work includes teaching English; running information centres; promoting British education and training; working closely with governments and NGOs (Non-Governmental Organisations) on reform and good governance; and demonstrating the innovation, creativity and excellence of British science and arts.'
That sound to you like the new face of anything?
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Bebsi
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Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Balzac and 007, you both sound like you're actually on the same side (more or less anyway) so why not shake and make up?
I think the BC tends to arouse a response of considerable scepticism on the part of most people...from the British Isles at least.
I can see the whole thing being run by a board of trustees in a leather-and-teak boardroom, at a large conference table occupied by a dozen Sir Humphrey Appleby lookalikes.
God, I so loved that series. Who remembers it? Can't you just see Jim Hacker trying to force more openness in the BC worldwide, and Humphrey reacting with utter horror.
"Ah, but don't you understand, Prime Minister, the very essence and indeed raison d'etre of this venerable and ancient organisation lies in its secre...I mean, in the wholesome and uniquely British discreteness by which its affairs are conducted, in the noble and altruistic pursuit of commendable aims, which include but are by no means confined to the promotion and perpetuation of our rich cultural and social values, whose essence indeed rests on the very same principles of discreet, closed-door discussion and debate that you now so keenly wish to undermine and dare I say, destroy. Priiiiime Minister, it is precisely the mystique and impermeable aura which surrounds the British Council that gives it is richness and bestows upon it the very validity of its existence and which creates in us all the justifiable pride that we feel in respect of the said institution; with all due respect, Prime minister, to suggest that the BC become more transparent would be akin to asking your wife to stand naked in Piccadilly Circus the Saturday before Christmas. It is preposterous!!". |
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Balzac

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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| Bebsi wrote: |
God, I so loved that series. Who remembers it? Can't you just see Jim Hacker trying to force more openness in the BC worldwide, and Humphrey reacting with utter horror.
"Ah, but don't you understand, Prime Minister, the very essence and indeed raison d'etre of this venerable and ancient organisation lies in its secre...I mean, in the wholesome and uniquely British discreteness by which its affairs are conducted, in the noble and altruistic pursuit of commendable aims, which include but are by no means confined to the promotion and perpetuation of our rich cultural and social values, whose essence indeed rests on the very same principles of discreet, closed-door discussion and debate that you now so keenly wish to undermine and dare I say, destroy. Priiiiime Minister, it is precisely the mystique and impermeable aura which surrounds the British Council that gives it is richness and bestows upon it the very validity of its existence and which creates in us all the justifiable pride that we feel in respect of the said institution; with all due respect, Prime minister, to suggest that the BC become more transparent would be akin to asking your wife to stand naked in Piccadilly Circus the Saturday before Christmas. It is preposterous!!". |
Or how about this little gem?
Famous for its long-winded dialogue and word-play. For example:
Sir Humphrey: "I wonder if I might crave your momentary indulgence in order to discharge a by no means disagreeable obligation which has, over the years, become more or less established practice in government service as we approach the terminal period of the year -- calendar, of course, not financial -- in fact, not to put too fine a point on it, Week Fifty-One -- and submit to you, with all appropriate deference, for your consideration at a convenient juncture, a sincere and sanguine expectation -- indeed confidence -- indeed one might go so far as to say hope -- that the aforementioned period may be, at the end of the day, when all relevant factors have been taken into consideration, susceptible to being deemed to be such as to merit a final verdict of having been by no means unsatisfactory in its overall outcome and, in the final analysis, to give grounds for being judged, on mature reflection, to have been conducive to generating a degree of gratification which will be seen in retrospect to have been significantly higher than the general average."
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Jim Hacker: "Are you trying to say "Happy Christmas," Humphrey?"
Sir Humphrey: "Yes, Minister."
I agree that the show was pricless as a parody of the British political system in the 80s.
Only Spitting Image could match it comedically.
cheers
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Balzac

Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 266
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:04 am Post subject: |
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A quick google reveals that the technique used in Yes Minister and others is called the 'Expospeak Gag' or sometimes 'Sesquipedalian Loquaciousness'. (Yes, that is correct!)
A joke based on describing something mundane using such technical language that it takes the audience a while to work out what's being talked about.
Here's another example:
The Simpsons spoofs this in the episode "Homer's Triple Bypass", as Homer not only misunderstands the doctor-speak, but also the normal-speak:
Hibbert: Homer, I'm afraid you'll have to undergo a coronary bypass operation.
Homer: Say it in English, Doc.
Hibbert: You're going to need open heart surgery.
Homer: Spare me your medical mumbo-jumbo.
Hibbert: We're going to cut you open and tinker with your ticker.
Homer: Could you dumb it down a shade?
There's plenty of other examples if you want to look and among them my favourites:
Speech like this was the key joke in many Monty Pythons Flying Circus sketches. John Cleese is known to use this in other roles he has held since.
And speaking of John Cleese, in the Fawlty Towers episode, The Hotel Inspectors, he finds himself having to contend with a guest whose use of flowery, overcomplicated language renders him nearly incomprehensible.
Here's the link: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ExpospeakGag
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desultude

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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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So much for looking to this thread for information about this particular university, or Saudi Arabia.
Sorry, but I was not looking for information on the B.C.  |
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Balzac

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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| desultude wrote: |
So much for looking to this thread for information about this particular university, or Saudi Arabia.
Sorry, but I was not looking for information on the B.C.  |
Great! Another satisfied customer. Any time. Come again!
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