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eurobound
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| Texas can do what it wants with its criminals. |
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sheikh radlinrol
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| eurobound wrote: |
| Texas can do what it wants with its criminals. |
They can and they do! Doesn�t make it right, though. Spain does what it likes with its bulls, doesn�t it? Repulsive, but its their ��ball park�� as the Americans say. |
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tttompatz
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Makes you wonder...
they think that cock fighting and bull fighting are uncivilized but they put in express lanes to the death chamber for their citizens.
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johnslat
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, the roosters and the bulls didn't do anything wrong. Cockfighting's still legal, by the way in Puerto Rico the U.S. Virgin Islands, the Northern Mariana Islands, and Guam. |
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eurobound
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| Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| sheikh radlinrol wrote: |
| eurobound wrote: |
| Texas can do what it wants with its criminals. |
They can and they do! Doesn�t make it right, though. Spain does what it likes with its bulls, doesn�t it? Repulsive, but its their ��ball park�� as the Americans say. |
Spain can do what it wants with its bulls. |
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Captain_Fil
Joined: 06 Jan 2011
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Location: California - the land of fruits and nuts
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A white supremacist was executed in Texas for the brutal 1998 killing of a black man named James Byrd, Jr.
The crime was extremely horrific. The victim was tied to the back of a pickup truck. And then dragged. Ultimately, the victim was torn to pieces and decapitated. None of the perpetrators expressed any remorse.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/163536/other-execution-tonight-man-who-dragged-james-byrd-jr-his-death
Perhaps, capital punishment is justified.
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eurobound
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| Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:14 am Post subject: |
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Stick around; there'll be some woolly liberal here soon enough who'll start banging a drum for whoever it was executed. |
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johnslat
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Dear eurobound,
Apparently the son of the gruesomely murdered man. a wooly liberal indeed, does not frequent Dave's:
"Nevertheless, Byrd�s only son, Ross, has campaigned against the execution of Brewer, as a member of Murder Victims For Reconciliation (a group profiled in the wide-ranging book I co-wrote with Robert Jay Lifton agianst capital punishment, Who Owns Death?). Yesterday he told Reuters: �You can�t fight murder with murder. Life in prison would have been fine. I know he can�t hurt my daddy anymore. I wish the state would take in mind that this isn�t what we want.�
Imagine - wooly liberals wanting to be fiscally responsible:
"The death penalty is much more expensive than life without parole because the Constitution requires a long and complex judicial process for capital cases. This process is needed in order to ensure that innocent men and woman are not executed for crimes they did not commit, and even with these protections the risk of executing an innocent person can not be completely eliminated.
If the death penalty was replaced with a sentence of Life Without the Possibility of Parole, which costs millions less and also ensures that the public is protected while eliminating the risk of an irreversible mistake, the money saved could be spent on programs that actually improve the communities in which we live. The millions of dollars in savings could be spent on: education, roads, police officers and public safety programs, after-school programs, drug and alcohol treatment, child abuse prevention programs, mental health services, and services for crime victims and their families.
More than 3500 men and woman have received this sentence in California since 1978 and NOT ONE has been released, except those few individuals who were able to prove their innocence.
California could save $1 billion over five years by replacing the death penalty with permanent imprisonment. "
http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42
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eurobound
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| Cost shouldn't come into it. That man deserved to die for what he did, no clear thinking person can argue otherwise. And the murdered man's son doesn't make the law. His Father is already dead, but hopefully the execution may prevent other peoples' Fathers having their lives ended in such a sickening way. Obviously you might say we have statistics that suggest otherwise, but we all know what statistics are. |
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spiral78
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Location: On a Short Leash
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:10 am Post subject: |
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I'm in Canada at the moment, where I don't believe there is any death penalty except for innocent seal pups.
Joke. Two guys (or girls, why not) from the Great White North:
'Ever been to a nightclub, eh?"
"Yeah, but wasn't such a good time, eh. Too dark to find the seals, eh." |
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dean_a_jones
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| eurobound wrote: |
| That man deserved to die for what he did, no clear thinking person can argue otherwise. |
If this was a "stupid statement masked as logic" contest, you sir would be our winner. |
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eurobound
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:01 am Post subject: |
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| dean_a_jones wrote: |
| eurobound wrote: |
| That man deserved to die for what he did, no clear thinking person can argue otherwise. |
If this was a "stupid statement masked as logic" contest, you sir would be our winner. |
'The victim was tied to the back of a pickup truck. And then dragged. Ultimately, the victim was torn to pieces and decapitated. None of the perpetrators expressed any remorse.'
Please tell me why the man responsible for this crime didn't deserve to be killed in turn. |
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dean_a_jones
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:25 am Post subject: |
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| eurobound wrote: |
'The victim was tied to the back of a pickup truck. And then dragged. Ultimately, the victim was torn to pieces and decapitated. None of the perpetrators expressed any remorse.'
Please tell me why the man responsible for this crime didn't deserve to be killed in turn. |
If you don't believe in the death penalty, then no, you generally wouldn't agree that the person deserved to die. Pretty simple really. Now I realise this is a perspective or opinion that you believe no 'thinking' person can take. It is that latter sentiment I find laughable, as it suggests your idea of morality and justice is superior to that belonging to anyone who disagrees with you.
Notice I didn't disagree with your earlier statement ("Texas can do what it wants with its criminals") as, assuming you mean within the law, that is perfectly true. If the law is on the books, then absolutely a state has the right to use it as and when they see fit.
It is when you throw around words like "deserve" that the whole thing begins to get muddy and clearly different people have different ideas here. If people don't like they law, then they can speak out against it, disagree with it, try to change it, whatever. Suggesting such people are not 'clear thinking' strikes me as stupid and arrogant, that's all. |
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johnslat
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Dear eurobound,
" . . . no clear thinking person can argue otherwise."
Darn, the victim's son definitely needs to get psychological help, then.
Good thing for you that arrogance isn't a capital offense.
Regards,
John |
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eurobound
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